PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Trouble is, they get their ‘news’ from the usual sources who keep spouting the phrase ‘time barred’. Whenever they use that they almost always leave it open ended to suggest that we’d committed a huge number of provable offences and, if they hadn’t all been ‘time barred’ we’d have been banned for 100 years…..
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Delaney is at it again today, giving the impression that CAS overturning UEFA’s ban was solely down to the Etisalat issue being time barred.
 
petrusha said:
On the other hand, the judgment in that case was circulated among the parties a month before it was issued. If it's correct here that the Panel are dispensing with this part of the process, it will save some time. And remember that, in the High Court, there's only one judge who has the task of writing up the decision while here the Panel can split the task between three of them.
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Sorry I must have missed that bit, has this been confirmed?
 
I'm presuming both the club and PL are in control of when the verdict drops through a mutual agreement? If that's the case, then id say we wont hear a tap until the season is finished which is the 25th May, sort of makes sense really when you think about it.
 
petrusha said:
When the date for the hearing was set, there was a body of expert opinion from people suggesting that March would be the time for the verdict. Looking back, I think this was driven by the idea that it offered a realistic timeframe for the hearing to take place and for a lengthy document to be written up substantiating the Panel's reasoning, while serving the objective of coming early enough for any punishment to take effect this season.

I'm not sure that latter point would have been a certainty even with a March verdict, given that there'll be a separate and later hearing to determine any sanctions that may be necessary together with potential for appeals. However, I think that was the logic at the outset and I'm sure the Panel members have been left in no doubt that the parties would welcome as prompt a resolution as they can manage.

I think many of us assumed for that reason that March was a good bet, but they'll quite rightly follow an approach of taking whatever time they think they need to perform the task allotted to them. They've evidently given no guarantees to anyone regarding how long that might be and, as a result, no one's sure.

I've been assuming all along, and I don't see myself as the only one to reckon so, that we'd have some prior notice of the fateful day being imminent when the draft award was circulated to the parties ahead of being issued. However, Stefan commented yesterday that he's been told MCFC expect the verdict to drop without it being circulated in advance. If that's right, then it could drop suddenly at any point.

Is it realistic for them to be ready at this stage, less than four months after the hearing concluded? Well, someone the other day posted the judgment from a 2022 case on similar subject matter and it took over six months from the end of the hearing for that document to be released. Arguably, our case is a bit more complex, which would suggest we wouldn't hear until the summer.

On the other hand, the judgment in that case was circulated among the parties a month before it was issued. If it's correct here that the Panel are dispensing with this part of the process, it will save some time. And remember that, in the High Court, there's only one judge who has the task of writing up the decision while here the Panel can split the task between three of them.

TL, DR - Credible sources in effect suggest that no one save the Panel seems to know what's happening at the moment, so we should stop flapping and accept that the verdict will come when it comes. It's not unrealistic to think that day could now arrive quite quickly, but who knows? And if it's right that a draft won't be circulated (but it's an 'if'), we may receive minimal or virtually no warning. Whatever will be will be.
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Good post, but the more I hear about what people are hearing, the more I reckon what people are hearing isn't what there is to hear, if indeed there is anything, but what people want them to hear. If you see what I mean.

In particular, I am struggling with the idea that the award will be issued without the opportunity for the club and the PL to suggest redactions, for example. Or that people will hear from the club when the award is received.

This isn't pooh-poohing the information given in good faith, or the posters giving it. All information is welcome. I am just struggling with it.
 
flb said:
I'm presuming both the club and PL are in control of when the verdict drops through a mutual agreement? If that's the case, then id say we wont hear a tap until the season is finished which is the 25th May, sort of makes sense really when you think about it.
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so city having irrefutable evidence are happy having name dragged through mud for 2 more months to please the PL
sounds legit
 
flb said:
I'm presuming both the club and PL are in control of when the verdict drops through a mutual agreement? If that's the case, then id say we wont hear a tap until the season is finished which is the 25th May, sort of makes sense really when you think about it.
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Nah. I think the last time City and the Premier League mutually agreed on something Mark Hughes was still manager!
 
BillyShears said:
Nah. I think the last time City and the Premier League mutually agreed on something Mark Hughes was still manager!
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And if he still was absolutely none of this would have happened and the rags would still be jacking off over their banner. They would probably still be shit so the dippers and arsenal would probably be taking the trophies but they would be shit & happy.
 
M18CTID said:
Apparently it's about this lady:

en.wikipedia.org

Danae Stratou - Wikipedia

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"She is married to Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister and economist. Her mother is Eleni Potaga-Stratou, a Greek modern artist, and her father is Phaidron Stratos from the Stratos family, who founded the Peiraiki-Patraiki textile industry in Patras, Peloponnese, at one time Greece’s largest textile industry.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danae_Stratou#cite_note-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>

It has been speculated that she was the subject of English rock band Pulp's 1995 hit "Common People"."
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Sounds like her dad is a blue (stratos).
 
BillyShears said:
Nah. I think the last time City and the Premier League mutually agreed on something Mark Hughes was still manager!
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I do hope its sooner rather than later mate! Id love this to drop about the same time that Liverpool or Arsenal are confirmed as champions-totally fucking piss on their parades big time.
Would the PL allow the shit storm that would follow, when the season is reaching its climax? Whichever way this verdict goes its going to totally overshadow the whole premier league season in the media.
 
dadnlad said:
so city having irrefutable evidence are happy having name dragged through mud for 2 more months to please the PL
sounds legit
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In fairness I think ‘irrefutable’ was always an exaggeration - not that I don’t think we’re going to ultimately win the case, but the word irrefutable implies that the evidence is so clear that there is no way anyone could possibly debate it. If that was true we’d never have reached this point.
 
MarsLlama said:
In fairness I think ‘irrefutable’ was always an exaggeration - not that I don’t think we’re going to ultimately win the case, but the word irrefutable implies that the evidence is so clear that there is no way anyone could possibly debate it. If that was true we’d never have reached this point.
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Remember we are dealing with the Premier League!
 
flb said:
I do hope its sooner rather than later mate! Id love this to drop about the same time that Liverpool or Arsenal are confirmed as champions-totally fucking piss on their parades big time.
Would the PL allow the shit storm that would follow, when the season is reaching its climax? Whichever way this verdict goes its going to totally overshadow the whole premier league season in the media.
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The one thing I suspect both parties agree on, is they'd like the verdict sooner rather than later. The IC won't care about timings or how convenient it is for City or the league, and I think for City and the league, having the verdict is better than the uncertainty around not having it.
 
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