The Labour Government

MouldensChippy said:
Just wow..... The crap that is pontificated to try to justify a political point on here ?

First of all your numbers are bad. Shelter reckon that there are at least 354,000 homeless in England (note, not the UK).
At least 354,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England https://search.app/oJjAD9JvabbLJjSa9 Shared via the Google App
Where do you suggest you put them Bob as apparently it's only a matter of will ?

Councils are already heading back to the bedsits of old by allowing family housing stock to be turned into HMOs at record rates.....

That's before we start on immigration of whichever type you choose.
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Councils can't stop it. No consent needed for up to 6 occupants.
 
MouldensChippy said:
The problem is, they belong to someone, and would require permission to use. The long term empty would probably need re-furbishing.

Are you suggesting that officialdom effectively steal property ?
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Compulsory purchase at market rate. Or use existing powers.

Relatives fell out over an inherited property (one very awkward beneficiary). 4 years to get a court-appointed solicitor appointed as executor, and get the property to market. Lots of legal costs - but house price inflation probably means having it empty will have benefited the beneficiaries...

www.bbc.co.uk

Why are we building homes when so many are standing empty?

Bringing empty homes back into use can be tricky, but campaigners say a lot more could be done to help.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Vic said:
Councils can't stop it. No consent needed for up to 6 occupants.
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The rules are starting to change, with more councils demanding proper licensing, and planning permissions.

Even they can see how neighbourhoods are being destroyed by unscrupulous landlords.

The country can't go back to the Peter Rachman days....
 
Vic said:
Compulsory purchase at market rate. Or use existing powers.

Relatives fell out over an inherited property (one very awkward beneficiary). 4 years to get a court-appointed solicitor appointed as executor, and get the property to market. Lots of legal costs - but house price inflation probably means having it empty will have benefited the beneficiaries...

www.bbc.co.uk

Why are we building homes when so many are standing empty?

Bringing empty homes back into use can be tricky, but campaigners say a lot more could be done to help.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Nationalisation of other people's property, by any other name....

They struggled with the steelworks, there's Gas, Electric, Water, Rail, Post, etc, etc to re nationalise first.

The aren't building council houses, do are hardly likely to spend on what could be another money pit.
 
MouldensChippy said:
Nationalisation of other people's property, by any other name....

They struggled with the steelworks, there's Gas, Electric, Water, Rail, Post, etc, etc to re nationalise first.

The aren't building council houses, do are hardly likely to spend on what could be another money pit.
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Nice to know that some people support keeping thousands of empty homes empty.
 
Vic said:
Nice to know that some people support keeping thousands of empty homes empty.
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I don't, but do appreciate the realities of the real world, rather than the dream world people seem to like inhabiting....

You know Vic, the one where babies enter into some form of future credit contract to pay for their 'free' education by paying council tax... ;-o
 
MouldensChippy said:
I don't, but do appreciate the realities of the real world, rather than the dream world people seem to like inhabiting....

You know Vic, the one where babies enter into some form of future credit contract to pay for their 'free' education by paying council tax... ;-o
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Nice to know that some people think children should not be educated unless they agree to pay for it later.
 
Vic said:
Nice to know that some people think children should not be educated unless they agree to pay for it later.
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You were the one entering children into contracts Vic.......Funny how you forgot that.... You know, when you said that my council tax paid as an adult paid for my 'free education' when I was a child.

Are you having memory problems ?

My parents paid rates, and income tax when I went to school. I paid rates, poll tax, council tax, and income tax when my children went to school.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Superb post
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Thanks, it's the truth. Everybody works with the hand they are dealt at the time. I can't remember us looking at older people and blaming them because they bought a house for £3,000 20 years ago and now they were £50,000. We just got on with it, saved for a deposit, got a mortgage and cracked on. It's not anybody's fault wages haven't kept pace with the cost of living except greedy big businesses and successive governments.
 
bluethrunthru said:
as you are reluctant to respond I'll tell you - State Pension £230.25 per week and add in £49.50 private pension gives you £12567 so you' be up to pay standard rate IC on £67 is liable to pay £13.40 pa or 26p per week.
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Reluctant to respond to what? I don't fucking live on here 24/7 although sometimes it feels like it. I used the £49.50 per month as an extreme lower end example to show even a tiny amount is ensuring people have to continue paying tax.
 
Vic said:
Politicians eiected by people who did well under those conditions to the extent that after housing costs 60% of pensioners are now in the top 60% of income.

(Which still leaves a lot of pensioners in poverty.)

I love nostalgia. Today's pensioners started work paying basic rate tax at 8/3 in the pound (41.25%). A two-up two-down terraced house near Maine Road cost three times my starting annual salary.

And once again, crucially, the "old age support ratio" (number of working adults per pensioner) gets worse as we live longer and birthrate drops. The birthrate is dropping partly because young people can't afford the accommodation into which to bring a child.

Macmillan was right. We'd never had it so good.
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I'll say again people play the hand they're dealt.
Where I live the going rate for a two bedroom house is between £240,000/£320,000. These are snapped up quickly by young couples with kids and most of them are running two cars at least on top. They can afford it and more.
 
bluethrunthru said:
How much income tax will they pay in ££££'s

They could not take their pension and remain tax free. As a pensioner I can assure you anyone getting an extra £50 per month places a value on that cash that is far more than that of any working person.

As for a tax return - its not an onerous job. If you are claiming a private pension 95% of the answers you will be ticking are - N/A, NO, NONE - its people making it out to be a mammoth task that scares people - as happens with pension credit if you work the other way and need to make up a shortage of funds
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What they are paying is irrelevant. My point is after a lifetime of paying tax when working they are still paying some tax if they were forced or talked into taking out a private pension once that pushed them over the tax threshold. They also pay tax in savings if the interest goes over £1,000 a year.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Hmmmm

Have you really?

Ok - I will take your word on that

Personally, I can only remember 'one side' doing the "Close down any discourse by labelling people as thick, racist, fascists, etc" routine
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In terms of closing down discourse yes absolutely, albeit for different reasons (which can be by ending up showing one of those traits ;))
 
Blackley_Blue said:
Very strong rumours of my NHS trust re-starting the MARS scheme imminently. Massively in the shit financially. I oversee a 24/7 department of 25 staff, currently have 4 vacancies but can't recruit as there's a complete block on recruitment. Morale at an all time low.

With 18 years service, I'll be first in the queue for MARS if offered. Can't wait to get out.
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Further to the above... MARS officially announced at my NHS trust today.

The terms offered are crap compared to previous similar schemes and not financially viable for me to take which is a bit of a shitter.

Compulsory redundancies if not enough uptake in MARS.
 
paulchapo said:
I'll say again people play the hand they're dealt.
Where I live the going rate for a two bedroom house is between £240,000/£320,000. These are snapped up quickly by young couples with kids and most of them are running two cars at least on top. They can afford it and more.
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Nice anecdotal evidence, but the facts are it's now harder for young people to buy a house than ever before.
 
I live in North Norfolk and my area is a sea of yellow, and I intend to keep it that way. I'm not interested Reform light. Starmer going Trump is poisoning our blood speech is disgusting
 
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