The Labour Government

[BlueHammer85]

very good speech from Cooper.

 

[kaz7]

As you know as a labour supporter i am disgusted with the way they are handling the wfa , in princible fine , but dropping it on people with winter two months away is disgusting , they clearly dont care the form for pension credit is 200 questions long and i would suggest the vast majority cant face that , those without close trusted family to help would have to take a chance with a carer etc , their bank details , national insurance number, everything you need to empty their bank acounts

That will put off half the million who are should be able to get it . Say the other half a million apply the dwp is not in any shape to cope with the extra demand , it just took over a year to get my pips decision despite chasing them up a couple of times

Now starmer is going to say they are going after sick people and investigators will have the legal right to access bank accounts , benefit fraud is 0.7% including mistakes made by the dwp

I didnt vote for this shit

 

[Chippy_boy]

If I'm on 40k a year and get a 5% payrise and my boss gives me £800 a year I'm bringing my baseball bat into work for a quiet word with him.

Unless I've read it wrong:-)

Hahaha. Maths was my best subject at school as well. Doh! Ok 2% LOL.

 

[PPT]

As you know as a labour supporter i am disgusted with the way they are handling the wfa , in princible fine , but dropping it on people with winter two months away is disgusting , they clearly dont care the form for pension credit is 200 questions long and i would suggest the vast majority cant face that , those without close trusted family to help would have to take a chance with a carer etc , their bank details , national insurance number, everything you need to empty their bank acounts

That will put off half the million who are should be able to get it . Say the other half a million apply the dwp is not in any shape to cope with the extra demand , it just took over a year to get my pips decision despite chasing them up a couple of times

Now starmer is going to say they are going after sick people and investigators will have the legal right to access bank accounts , benefit fraud is 0.7% including mistakes made by the dwp

I didnt vote for this shit

Oh yes you did.

 

[Vic]

It’s not difficult to understand though, is it? Not if you stopped being a stooge for five minutes.

The tax burden was already set to rise, and rather than reverse that trend - which Reeves could do now that Labour are in power (important point that) - she’s actually going to add to the increase. So the rising tax burden we’ll see in the Budget will be Labour policy.

At the same time she’s already announced some big announced spending cuts. So why is Reeves saying no return to austerity, when that’s exactly what it is?

Which taxes would you cut, without going full Truss?

Getting quite weird, this.

 

[Vic]

Have the tax payers alliance ever be in favour of any tax policy?

Was the CEO privately educated?

Does he send his children to a private school?

Tax payers alliance? Just another rich boys club in Tufton Street.

 

[ganganvince]

As you know as a labour supporter i am disgusted with the way they are handling the wfa , in princible fine , but dropping it on people with winter two months away is disgusting , they clearly dont care the form for pension credit is 200 questions long and i would suggest the vast majority cant face that , those without close trusted family to help would have to take a chance with a carer etc , their bank details , national insurance number, everything you need to empty their bank acounts

That will put off half the million who are should be able to get it . Say the other half a million apply the dwp is not in any shape to cope with the extra demand , it just took over a year to get my pips decision despite chasing them up a couple of times

Now starmer is going to say they are going after sick people and investigators will have the legal right to access bank accounts , benefit fraud is 0.7% including mistakes made by the dwp

I didnt vote for this shit

As previously discussed it is the obvious next step assuming reports are correct. My mother is just outside pension credit eligibility I have managed to convince her into getting the attendance allowance form 35 pages.

 

[Vic]

Daft policy then. Why is the fact that someone went to university a relevant fact?

Just tax people on their income regardless of whether they did.

I'd put the what is the top rate tax back up to 50%.

And then put an enhanced rate of at least 55 on people earning over £250,000.

If it's true that a degree means you earn more then that is effectively a graduate tax. I wonder how many pensioners with a degree (paid for by the state) will freeze this winter.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

I strongly disagree with your statement. Just one example of why; there are fertilisers out there that can capture carbon and improve crop yields. Imagine a world where every crop is grown with fertilisers that capture carbon at the same time. Everyone needs food and these fertilisers might even allowing for crops to be grown in parts of the word they can’t today.

Direct air capture and converting to fuel is possible today - you take the carbon out, recycle it, and use it - put it back out with a fractional increase in carbon each time compared to what burning virgin fossil fuels today.

These are just two examples of where tech is pushing the boundaries of the possible.

you know your shit my friend...

 

[Vic]

It's not a "nice try". And this "tax burden" argument in this context is nonsense. Perhaps it is your reflex reaction to have to argue with a tory, but actually I was supporting the Labour position of freezing allowances, which they will certainly do.

Rough figues, someone on £40k per year pays £5,486 in tax and NI, and takes home £32,320

They get a 5% pay rise. but the tax allowances are frozen. so now they earn £40,800. They pay £5,646 in tax and NI, so yes their tax has increased of course. But they take hom £32,896. i.e. they are £576 better off.

You only pay more tax if you earn more. And if you earn more, you get to keep most of it, even if allowances are frozen. This nonsense line about "more people being dragged into high tax brackets" etc is rubbish. They are not dragged into anything. Fiscal drag is a ludicrous term.

Good argument in there for higher tax on higher incomes. They'll still be better off.

Even with your maths.