The Labour Government

[threespires]

I understand there was some confusion with Enoch Powell's Wikipedia page yesterday, seems to have been rectified this morning.

Not sure alienating one part of your base in order to achieve zero impact with people who are only going to not vote Reform if the economy and/or healthcare picks up significantly is great politics really.

 

[Palerider]

I understand there was some confusion with Enoch Powell's Wikipedia page yesterday, seems to have been rectified this morning.

Not sure alienating one part of your base to on order to achieve zero impact with people who are only going to not vote Reform if the economy and/or healthcare picks up significantly is great politics really.

From what I've read most left wing voters are not going to vote for Starmer's Labour regardless?

 

[threespires]

From what I've read most left wing voters are not going to vote for Starmer's Labour regardless?

Fair comment though from my own anecdotal experience there's still plenty of people who are holding their nose and sticking with them in the short term. How long that stays the case remains to be seen.

 

[aminegriffy1]

Next, whether it's Starmer or Farage, the issue they will raise is remigration. The Overton window has shifted, and moving forward, Farage will likely propose something to outdo Starmer. Then Starmer will respond—as he has already said—'we will go even further if necessary.' Terms like 'remigration,' 'mass deportation,' and 'self-deportation' will become mainstays of the political lexicon." Good luck to all the migrants in this sad "island of strangers".

 

[aminegriffy1]

I understand there was some confusion with Enoch Powell's Wikipedia page yesterday, seems to have been rectified this morning.

Not sure alienating one part of your base in order to achieve zero impact with people who are only going to not vote Reform if the economy and/or healthcare picks up significantly is great politics really.

It wasn't a confusion whoever wrote that speech knew what they were doing. That speech had language to appeal to the Reform base, why do you think the HM went first to GB News ?

 

[threespires]

It wasn't a confusion whoever wrote that speech knew what they were doing. That speech had language to appeal to the Reform base, why do you think the HM went first to GB News ?

I don't doubt that. The 'confusion' I was facetiously referring to was that for a significant chunk of yesterday the official portrait on the Enoch Powell Wikipedia page was in fact a picture of our current Prime Minister.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I read that a lot and I would say for many young people that is probably the case, especially if single and if they are in a lower paid job more so. Are they actually hard facts that I read though, or are they anecdotal too? As I said plenty of young families are still buying houses here. Whether they are first time buyers or not I don't know but probably not, as many already have kids when they buy. They are still relatively young though so if they've moved from another property they were probably already on the ladder.

Myself personally I didn't buy my first house until I was thirty five. It's a while ago now but if I remember correctly 95/100% mortgages were still available and I think you could only borrow 2-1/2 times your annual salary. If your property price exceeded that you had to pay a deposit. I do recall buying your own house was a big deal even back then and people struggled to get on the property ladder. Where I grew up the majority couldn't afford to do so and ended up renting. The covetted prize was a council property close by to their parents, which many young girls achieved by becoming pregnant much to the outrage of media outlets like the Mail. I guess they were the scapegoats back then, now it's immigrants and old people.

I had bedsits in the late 70's early 80's (chucked out aged 17), minging shitholes stinking of damp.

Buying a house I had no chance working in warehouses. 1985 ended up homeless and sleeping in my car and washing at work. Oh yes us boomers, gammons, FOC's , cunts (Insert whichever childish derogatory terminology you choose) had it easy.

(cue: Luxury that)

 

[Don Karleone]

He really is a ****.

 

[Vic]

Once again you are incorrect Vic.

How about the mean spirited councils, instead of charging extra for a function that has previously always been included in the tax give folk with no gardens a discount ?

Socialist enough for you ?

I think that people with gardens shouldn't have to pay a new (new being the operative word) pocket picking charge, dreamed up by councils to fill their coffers, then waste. You were the one who was suggesting differing charges, after all kitchen waste, is green waste as well, yet we all pay for that.

Or maybe you just like to encourage the extra fly tipping it inevitably brings. Who knows, the mean sprited charge might even cover the cost of cleaning the extra fly tips ?

You do realise that people in social housing also have gardens. Even the poor, and pensioners have gardens ! Let's load them up with an extra charge, that'll show them and their bourgeosie gardens, hey Vic.... :-)

Do you think you might be obsessing a bit about this?

 

[paulchapo]

I had bedsits in the late 70's early 80's (chucked out aged 17), minging shitholes stinking of damp.

Buying a house I had no chance working in warehouses. 1985 ended up homeless and sleeping in my car and washing at work. Oh yes us boomers, gammons, FOC's , cunts (Insert whichever childish derogatory terminology you choose) had it easy.

(cue: Luxury that)

I remember those bedsits I had a few mates living in them in Chorlton, Fallowfield and Didsbury. They were an experience lol.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I remember those bedsits I had a few mates living in them in Chorlton, Fallowfield and Didsbury. They were an experience lol.

A night in Brindale house was deffo an experience. Cockroaches coming out of the walls. Feral kids jumping up and down on your car roof.

They say the good old days.........nah. Not much has changed tbh probably worse

 

[hilts]

He really is a ****.

She certainly struck a nerve there.

 

[metalblue]

He really is a ****.

Yup

 

[Scottyboi]

He really is a ****.

He can't really argue against her point so goes for a cheap dig instead.

 

[hampshireblue]

Not my friends in Reform.... are you going to answer my question? What is happening to those who land and are mot returned immediately?

So I replied as requested. Again what would your pals in Reform do within the boundaries of international law?

 

[BigJoe#1]

So I replied as requested. Again what would your pals in Reform do within the boundaries of international law?

I have no pals in Reform..... My vote for Reform will solely be an effective vote against Labour in Wales. It is a tragedy that such an undefined party is more popular than Labour - think about it... this is all down to what Labour are doing today.

I will give you my opinion about Reform though. I genuinely do not think in four years time, once the effect of Reform being in power, albeit on a local level is realised, they will be electable. Sadly Reform are going to fuck up big time, which will in turn affect the voting at the next general election, the result of which IMO is the fact that Reform will be unelectable. I do genuinely fear for this country as the current system and the political parties are just not fit to govern. It would have been much more interesting had these elections happened 12 - 16 months before the GE. Luckily enough we may just about get the opportunity to get rid of Labour in Wales (next years elections) as I don't think I can stick another parliament of their incompetence and lies.

As I have maintained all along (though some fools just cannot see the wood from the trees) I am probably left leaning (unlike Labour) but there are certain areas where I could be called to be more right wing - there is no political party I can genuinely support.

My hope for the future is that we have some kind of proportional representation, where everyone gets a voice and we don't end up with a weak, piss poor government ruling with a massive majority whilst only getting around 34% of the public support.... it is so unhealthy.... just imagine it Reform get 30% of the public vote yet could have a majority of over 100 seats.

BTW glad to hear you're well and on the road to recovery.

 

[hampshireblue]

I have no pals in Reform..... My vote for Reform will solely be an effective vote against Labour in Wales. It is a tragedy that such an undefined party is more popular than Labour - think about it... this is all down to what Labour are doing today.

I will give you my opinion about Reform though. I genuinely do not think in four years time, once the effect of Reform being in power, albeit on a local level is realised, they will be electable. Sadly Reform are going to fuck up big time, which will in turn affect the voting at the next general election, the result of which IMO is the fact that Reform will be unelectable. I do genuinely fear for this country as the current system and the political parties are just not fit to govern. It would have been much more interesting had these elections happened 12 - 16 months before the GE. Luckily enough we may just about get the opportunity to get rid of Labour in Wales (next years elections) as I don't think I can stick another parliament of their incompetence and lies.

As I have maintained all along (though some fools just cannot see the wood from the trees) I am probably left leaning (unlike Labour) but there are certain areas where I could be called to be more right wing - there is no political party I can genuinely support.

My hope for the future is that we have some kind of proportional representation, where everyone gets a voice and we don't end up with a weak, piss poor government ruling with a massive majority whilst only getting around 34% of the public support.... it is so unhealthy.... just imagine it Reform get 30% of the public vote yet could have a majority of over 100 seats.

BTW glad to hear you're well and on the road to recovery.

Thanks for the best wishes.
But I was very specific about what you think your buddies will ACTUALLY DO to reduce irregular migration that is within the law. Bearing in mind it is their main attraction for disgruntled voters, it should be a pretty easily achievable policy to remind us all of. Remember, it has to be legal as we don't want to be considered a tin pot state under them.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Thanks for the best wishes.
But I was very specific about what you think your buddies will ACTUALLY DO to reduce irregular migration that is within the law. Bearing in mind it is their main attraction for disgruntled voters, it should be a pretty easily achievable policy to remind us all of. Remember, it has to be legal as we don't want to be considered a tin pot state under them.

First off, I have no buddies (in Reform - which I thought you understood), and in all honesty I don't think they'll do anything to reduce further migration and for the record, I am more concerned about the migrants that cross the channel than those that come with Visa's (though they also need to be controlled).

I believe anyone that comes here through an illegal route should NOT be processed at all. Personally I would have the royal navy sited just off the French cost and, as they come over prevent them from entering British waters.... not idesl and hard to do I know, but any solution will be difficult.... until Border Force get a grip - surely that isn't going to be to far away now is it?

The honest answer I don't know what they will/could do just like Labour don't and the conservatives don't but something needs to be done now and I will remind you Labour are in power and are the ones that need to show some leadership, so please don't keep deflecting Labours (for the next 50 months) responsibility.

 

[Postman Pep]

He really is a ****.

Such thin skin on that massive brass neck.

 

[Corky]

First off, I have no buddies (in Reform - which I thought you understood), and in all honesty I don't think they'll do anything to reduce further migration and for the record, I am more concerned about the migrants that cross the channel than those that come with Visa's (though they also need to be controlled).

I believe anyone that comes here through an illegal route should NOT be processed at all. Personally I would have the royal navy sited just off the French cost and, as they come over prevent them from entering British waters.... not idesl and hard to do I know, but any solution will be difficult.... until Border Force get a grip - surely that isn't going to be to far away now is it?

The honest answer I don't know what they will/could do just like Labour don't and the conservatives don't but something needs to be done now and I will remind you Labour are in power and are the ones that need to show some leadership, so please don't keep deflecting Labours (for the next 50 months) responsibility.

Nothing at all, just let them stay and turn a blind eye?