The Green Party

[TinFoilHat]

The true socialists should really be voting green and although I don't agree with everything they stand for they certainly seem the only option at moment if you're not a Tory by vote or hidden ideology.

Unfortunately the only Purple and Green you are likely to see round here is a discussion on Wimbledon.

There is a quite low limit to their Socialism:-)

The greens were pro business and anti trade union at one point.

I'm not sure that's changed?

 

[Palerider]

Since I resigned from the Starmer party, I think i will join the Green party.

Labour is dead, the Greens at least have some Socialist elements.

What i like about the Greens and to an extent Reform (i hate them btw) is that they have stretched the boundaries of the Overton window.

We now have something like this


LEFT ... Communist party ......Greens... ................................(lib dems..labour snp..tories)..........................reform...........Britain first ....RIGHT

That has to be good for democracy and for debate about our future as a nation.

It does look like, and probably for the better in view of the USA experience, that two party politics has run it's course. Labour should be the party of the working class but it seems to have been taken over by two groups (the 'nice' tories and the hard line leftists) neither of whom represent the views of the working class! The Conservative party seems to have the exact same problem in that it contains many factions with each faction trying to gain control of a party that traditionally wins 60% of General Elections. I think your breakdown of parties is probably about right and all we really need is for people to move into their 'correct' party rather than to mould the Labour/Tory party in their own image. For me, I'm happy with Starmer but I would certainly consider an old fashioned 'Working Class' based party too.

 

[hilts]

The greens were pro business and anti trade union at one point.

I'm not sure that's changed?

I'm more about the environment but :-


The Green Party's income tax policy focuses on increasing taxes on higher earners and the wealthy to fund public services and address climate change. They propose aligning capital gains tax with income tax, raising National Insurance contributions above a certain income threshold, and implementing a wealth tax on assets exceeding £10 million.


The Green Party strongly supports trade unions and advocates for increased worker rights. They propose measures like repealing anti-union laws, implementing a Charter of Workers' Rights, and ensuring legal recognition of unions by employers. The Green Party also supports policies that benefit workers, such as a higher minimum wage, a four-day work week, and equal pay for all.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I'm more about the environment but :-


The Green Party's income tax policy focuses on increasing taxes on higher earners and the wealthy to fund public services and address climate change. They propose aligning capital gains tax with income tax, raising National Insurance contributions above a certain income threshold, and implementing a wealth tax on assets exceeding £10 million.


The Green Party strongly supports trade unions and advocates for increased worker rights. They propose measures like repealing anti-union laws, implementing a Charter of Workers' Rights, and ensuring legal recognition of unions by employers. The Green Party also supports policies that benefit workers, such as a higher minimum wage, a four-day work week, and equal pay for all.

All sounds eminently sensible.

 

[hilts]

It does look like, and probably for the better in view of the USA experience, that two party politics has run it's course. Labour should be the party of the working class but it seems to have been taken over by two groups (the 'nice' tories and the hard line leftists) neither of whom represent the views of the working class! The Conservative party seems to have the exact same problem in that it contains many factions with each faction trying to gain control of a party that traditionally wins 60% of General Elections. I think your breakdown of parties is probably about right and all we really need is for people to move into their 'correct' party rather than to mould the Labour/Tory party in their own image. For me, I'm happy with Starmer but I would certainly consider an old fashioned 'Working Class' based party too.

I think the term working class should be abolished tbh, I also think it's far too complicated to replace it with anything especially of you want it to combine ecomnic and social groups.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Since I resigned from the Starmer party, I think i will join the Green party.

Labour is dead, the Greens at least have some Socialist elements.

What i like about the Greens and to an extent Reform (i hate them btw) is that they have stretched the boundaries of the Overton window.

We now have something like this


LEFT ... Communist party ......Greens... ................................(lib dems..labour snp..tories)..........................reform...........Britain first ....RIGHT

That has to be good for democracy and for debate about our future as a nation.

Would you not join the socialist party? Or even the communist party?

 

[Rascal]

It does look like, and probably for the better in view of the USA experience, that two party politics has run it's course. Labour should be the party of the working class but it seems to have been taken over by two groups (the 'nice' tories and the hard line leftists) neither of whom represent the views of the working class! The Conservative party seems to have the exact same problem in that it contains many factions with each faction trying to gain control of a party that traditionally wins 60% of General Elections. I think your breakdown of parties is probably about right and all we really need is for people to move into their 'correct' party rather than to mould the Labour/Tory party in their own image. For me, I'm happy with Starmer but I would certainly consider an old fashioned 'Working Class' based party too.

The big problem in our politics is the parties are beholden to those with with wealth who can buy influence for their own ends. I do believe we are entering the age of oligarchy where those with wealth dictate to those without wealth how life will be. Its a return to feudalism.

 

[Rascal]

Would you not join the socialist party? Or even the communist party?

If the Communist party was a singular entity i would join in a heartbeat, but the left idealism where i live is so disparate and ridiculous at times i would not at the moment despite being a Communist.

Idealogues find it hard to change, on the left Marxism is the creed, but Leninists will argue with Trotsky, who will argue with Maoists, and it is all minor details in the grand scheme. the far right are far better at being coherent than than we have ever been.

The left though has to fight back, we are becoming a society where right wing populism is becoming dangerous,

No pasaran

 

[inbetween]

If the Communist party was a singular entity i would join in a heartbeat, but the left idealism where i live is so disparate and ridiculous at times i would not at the moment despite being a Communist.

Idealogues find it hard to change, on the left Marxism is the creed, but Leninists will argue with Trotsky, who will argue with Maoists, and it is all minor details in the grand scheme. the far right are far better at being coherent than than we have ever been.

The left though has to fight back, we are becoming a society where right wing populism is becoming dangerous,

No pasaran

The left is only going to be dangerous with energy and that energy does not exist within this current class of awful double glazing salesmen.

It needs another Corbyn but preferably 40 years younger, with less 'baggage' and with a little more focus on domestic politics and not foreign activism.

 

[hilts]

The left is only going to be dangerous with energy and that energy does not exist within this current class of awful double glazing salesmen.

It needs another Corbyn but preferably 40 years younger, with less 'baggage' and with a little more focus on domestic politics and not foreign activism.

Corbyn was so so close and I gave him pelters, I'm thinking putting up with his faults for even just a term may have sent us down a better path. Tough call.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

When did the Green Party stop being about promoting environmental conservation and become a far left conspiracy group full of fruit cakes?

A guy running to be their new leader was on Kuennsberg this morning advocating for the UK leaving NATO and spending the money on books instead, and turned out he’s been sharing fake news conspiracy shit about Ukraine on Twitter.

Who actually votes for these freaks?

 

[Rory Bluelow]

When did the Green Party stop being about promoting environmental conservation and become a far left conspiracy group full of fruit cakes?

A guy running to be their new leader was on Kuennsberg this morning advocating for the UK leaving NATO and spending the money on books instead, and turned out he’s been sharing fake news conspiracy shit about Ukraine on Twitter.

Who actually votes for these freaks?

They’re just a barometer of how fucking awful the others are ! The ultimate protest vote. I drove through Stroud just before the local elections and absolutely full of the buggers - posters everywhere. Stroud of course is just a posher version of Royston Vasey.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

They’re just a barometer of how fucking awful the others are ! The ultimate protest vote. I drove through Stroud just before the local elections and absolutely full of the buggers - posters everywhere. Stroud of course is just a posher version of Royston Vasey.

The thing is a party that stood for sensible environmental conservation and long term investment in sustainable energy would be someone I would consider voting for.

They should be taking on the Tories and the Lib Dem’s in rural areas really but now they’re this wacky far left party that’s just hoovered up all the old Corbyn weirdos

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

When did the Green Party stop being about promoting environmental conservation and become a far left conspiracy group full of fruit cakes?

A guy running to be their new leader was on Kuennsberg this morning advocating for the UK leaving NATO and spending the money on books instead, and turned out he’s been sharing fake news conspiracy shit about Ukraine on Twitter.

Who actually votes for these freaks?

Me at the last GE. I agree their defence policy is unrealistic, but I'll take naive over dishonesty which is what the other party's were offering.
The greens will have to did a way to reconcile themselves with nuclear power and a balanced defence policy if they are to move much beyond a party of protest.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Corbyn was so so close and I gave him pelters, I'm thinking putting up with his faults for even just a term may have sent us down a better path. Tough call.

Baggage will be found for anyone who seriously threatens the corporate elite and tax dodging offshore types.

 

[hilts]

Bump:-)

 

[threespires]

The Greens will never have the advantage of built-in access like Reform have with a variety of right-leaning outlets but should they take a leaf out of the populists books and try some simplicity, drama and conflict to gain more visibility in the media? In many ways its probably anathema to them and as a 'fringe' party they understandably want to project being grown up and restrained and you can understand that given the predispositions of most of our media.

However, unless and until we introduce PR it feels like that leaves them being patted on the head and pushed to the sidelines, might be the only way to cut through is to fight fire with fire albeit they'll have to be very clever to dodge the incoming. Don't know much about their leadership or people bubbling under, are there any possible candidates out there?

 

[roypaulknewmyfather]

The Greens will never have the advantage of built-in access like Reform have with a variety of right-leaning outlets but should they take a leaf out of the populists books and try some simplicity, drama and conflict to gain more visibility in the media? In many ways its probably anathema to them and as a 'fringe' party they understandably want to project being grown up and restrained and you can understand that given the predispositions of most of our media.

However, unless and until we introduce PR it feels like that leaves them being patted on the head and pushed to the sidelines, might be the only way to cut through is to fight fire with fire albeit they'll have to be very clever to dodge the incoming. Don't know much about their leadership or people bubbling under, are there any possible candidates out there?

The Greens have fought shy of “personality” politics because their aim is for a grassroots up approach not a leadership down as is the norm. As you rightly say it’s a difficult one. Polanski is standing for the leadership this time saying bold leadership is required and has already faced smear campaigns on social media about misinformation. If true the membership won’t elect him.

 

[threespires]

The Greens have fought shy of “personality” politics because their aim is for a grassroots up approach not a leadership down as is the norm. As you rightly say it’s a difficult one. Polanski is standing for the leadership this time saying bold leadership is required and has already faced smear campaigns on social media about misinformation. If true the membership won’t elect him.

Yes, I've had one eye on this as it unfolds. From the bits I've seen I'm not convinced Polanski is the person to make the breakthrough but I think his take and challenge is important and timely.

Sort of related, one of the things that strikes me about the Green Party is they have few natural allies within the either old or new media spaces. I know Gary Stevenson has to some degree dismissed the Greens despite actually voting for them as he seems to be looking to make his inequality arguments sufficiently loud and mainstream that he can influence one of the two main parties. Given our FPTP system this is understandable but I do wonder if the Greens could do anything to change his perspective on this given he dwarfs the Greens in terms of online presence? T