Incident at Liverpool Title Parade May 26th

[LangleyBlue1970]

Horrible accident.

Question for Merseyside police if the car was technically allowed to be there, all the people damaging the car have some serious questions to answer about their roles, and then the driver himself has obviously lost it and will certainly and rightly do time for it.

Accident? It isn’t accidental to drive your car into a crowd when the initial position of it is in a straight line. He purposely veers to his right into the crowd and doesn’t stop. That isn’t an accident.

 

[RiversideBlue]

shameful post-

Why? I was pointing out that the policing was ineffectual in both cases.

 

[Edghill OG]

It’s a massive stretch but there is an offence of criminal damage being reckless as to endanger life, which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

Could it be argued that banging a car like that, in that scenario, could seriously risk a reaction founded in panic on behalf of the driver when there are hundreds of people at risk from an adverse response.

The driver’s reaction is certainly not an inconceivable outcome, but whether it amounts to recklessness, rather than mere carelessness, is unlikely.

Unfortunately I think the situation at the time turned into 'them vs me'. He wasn't thinking rationally and they (as in the whole fanbase) became the enemy and he didn't make the distinction between those wrecking his car and those completely innocent individuals he's driven into.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Solution?? Maybe not move and nudge people with your car?? Wait out till the crowd disperse then safely move your car when people are totally out of the way? Look anymore i say about this il be called a dipper. So, you justify this with your sinister beliefs, all I'm saying is if this happened to us you wouldn't be justifying this.

You aren't a dipper, you can have your thoughts. I just dont agree with kicking fuck out of a car in a mob mentality. Lots of footage of the car slowly trying to navigate and beeping. It was the reverse nudge that set the man bag wearer off. There isn't any justifying the driver, from what we know and what we can see we are speculating and trying to make sense of it. He has floored it in a panic - wrongly. Wankers kicked fuck out of his car and started to open his car door like thugs, that is wrong too. The whole thing is a mess

 

[MCFC1993]

I think the whole incident reflects very poorly on everyone.

- The organisation
- The mob mentality
- The driver overreaction

Not a good look.

Thankfully nobody has died and hopefully the 2 with serious injuries aren't life changing injuries.

With the increased use of cars as a weapon, I do think cities are going to have to go pedestrianised, with public transport investment. Manchester has made big steps in doing this.

 

[Macca77macca]

On GB news
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No wants to see GB News on here jeez

 

[Centurions]

I think the tragic event of yesterday might answer the question
Confining it to a short route enables better control

Also stops pissing off people who have no interest in football.

 

[Craig]

That isn’t correct. You simply cannot get a motor vehicle into the core areas of any well planned and managed Christmas market. That might not be the case with peripheral areas where there are still pedestrians in large numbers but Water Street could not be described at peripheral in the context of this parade.

No, but the point still stands that you’ll always get to an area where a large number of people are gathered after such events where the bollards end. If someone is mad enough to be prepared to die in order to kill people it’s very difficult to prevent. Take the safety checks going into football grounds. There’s nothing to prevent some loon blowing themselves up by the turnstiles or as thousands leave the ground.

Fortunately there aren’t as many of these sick fuckers about as the Daily Mail would have people believe!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can you list all the terrorist attacks on Christmas markets in the UK over the last decade when vehicles have been deployed, given how straightforward you seem to think it is to carry out.

Well… no, because there’s been no one with the intent of trying to plough into people in Uk Xmas markets - but would you honestly say you could not find a way to do it if you wanted to ?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That’s simply not correct. Christmas markets are an example of areas within city centres that are managed over several weeks with terrorism related traffic management contingencies front and centre.

You appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that enforcing the closure of all car parks (and car parking) within a certain radius is an especially complicated undertaking. It should be front and centre for any planning into an event like this. It’s kindergarten stuff.

It looks like another example of Merseyside Police and their incompetence at controlling crowds. They will be in full cover up mode by now. No way a car should be anywhere near that street. There have been multiple problems over the years. I was caught in a terrible crush at the Tall Ships event and the police were hopeless. I hope those kids recover. Shocking but not surprising.

 

[smevchenko]

That isn’t correct. You simply cannot get a motor vehicle into the core areas of any well planned and managed Christmas market. That might not be the case with peripheral areas where there are still pedestrians in large numbers but Water Street could not be described at peripheral in the context of this parade.

Ok, I get that well planned markets etc, such as directly outside the town hall in Manchester would be near enough impossible to get a car into, but when you are talking about large parades etc, I would assume most road closures would only be done by signage and cones, possibly some manned by police, some may have large, heavy temporary barriers, but if it was Deansgate, would you be confident if some lunatic wanted to get his car into a crowd of people, they wouldn't be able to?

 

[cheekybids]

I think the one positive of so many filming it is that it gives the police a better idea of what happened. Uploading it to social media isn’t the right thing to do though - hand it over to the police FFS!

The police couldn’t identify cunts stood on top of their vans so not so sure it will help.

 

[eastmanc]

Also stops pissing off people who have no interest in football.

I think the shear amount of people, at the parade, makes it that the route is going to naturally longer, but I agree shorten the route as much as you can, makes sense.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Accident? It isn’t accidental to drive your car into a crowd when the initial position of it is in a straight line. He purposely veers to his right into the crowd and doesn’t stop. That isn’t an accident.

Accident in the sense that I can't see any evidence that the driver has woken up and decided to go and try kill people. Accident in the sense that he's found himself in a bad situation and made terrible decisions that he'll rightly be paying for for the rest of his life. Accident in the sense that manslaughter can be an accident.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Just seen this video

Was the road open to cars and people were just blocking the way? Looks like a few people didn't like the fact a car was there and started booting / punching the car. Car driver probably panicked and when his back window was put in possibly feared for his safety. Looked a feral mob and why the guy with the rucksack chased the car and further inflamed the situation is anyone's guess. There should be a few more arrested although I suspect it won't happen. Looks like an unfortunate situation that got out of hand.

The roads should have been sealed off. That street is right by the parade route.

 

[Cellarite]

I'm pretty sure it's him who smashes the rear window. He picks something up and runs after the car, you see him raise it and throw it, then it looks like the window is gone.

I thought that initially, but looking at it again carefully, as the bag pack wanker raises his arm to throw whatever object he has, the window goes through. The wanker then throws his objects over/on top of the car.

 

[MCFC1993]

Shameful post.
The cunts who did that to the coach we’re just that - cunts.

Put that car in any crowd and that reaction would have been the same, by that I mean people hitting the car through anger. That isn’t a Liverpool thing, it’s a human reaction.

Seems to be the new buzz thing to do when in a large crowd over the last 10 years. Seen it happen in football crowds and protests.

Letting out 5 seconds of anger to make some poor persons life a nightmare, never any repercussions either as they hide in the large crowd.

Definitely a societal issue.

Doesn't in anyway justify the drivers response, as he in turn has made multiple lives a misery and will ultimately pay the price now. Thankfully nobody has lost their life which means I think there is always a way back.

If you repeat the situation 1 million times, I think you would get multiple panicked drivers that would end up hitting someone. It's not a driving situation you really train for. Anyway, no more speculation, just glad nobodies died.

 

[shevtheblue]

All very weird, i don't know Liverpool very well tbh as its a shit hole, but watching some of the footage you can see there are a few cars sat in traffic - where is that location? I specifically remember you couldn't get anywhere near City's parades specifically for this reason, you should be able to walk around with your kids without having any kind of fear of cars. You can see the car at the back of the traffic is either getting hit by fans as they walk past (even though they're inbred scousers, you can see this happening anywhere fans are rowdy and drunk) OR he is trying to get out of traffic and reverses like a dickhead when surrounded by people and that obv goes wrong. But as soon as he does that, all hell (rightly) breaks loose and he gets his window smashed and people want his head - guys lost the plot and will now go to jail. To me it doesn't look pre-planned but could be wrong.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Accident in the sense that I can't see any evidence that the driver has woken up and decided to go and try kill people. Accident in the sense that he's found himself in a bad situation and made terrible decisions that he'll rightly be paying for for the rest of his life. Accident in the sense that manslaughter can be an accident.

Not having that.

‘Sorry for hitting the gas and purposely veering my car into you all. It was just an accident that I’ve just done that to 50 of you’

 

[mattcity5]

I thought that initially, but looking at it again carefully, as the bag pack wanker raises his arm to throw whatever object he has, the window goes through. The wanker then throws his objects over/on top of the car.

Yep, you're right, missed that!