PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The first two scenarios are believable but not the rags winning the league!

Hey I never said which league

 

[s1ty m]

Hey I never said which league

Very good. Lol.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Thanks G.
Could this writing up be done by their team concurrently whilst they go to the next of the 115s?

Sorry I have no legal knowledge just seems they have presumably already discussed to arrive at a decision so let someone else write it up which saves time.

It would be a gross dereliction of duty for any tribunal decision maker to task anyone with writing their determination for them. In cases such as this, these determinations are incredibly complex expositions which require a hugely layered and nuanced narrative in order to get the findings across in a way that is cogent, logical, coherent and as appeal proof as possible. They are essentially a novel where all the pieces of the plot need to fit together. Any worthwhile novelist wouldn’t get their PA to write their story for them - why would any tribunal member?

And no disrespect to anyone else, but these people are intellectually on a level that the vast majority of people within the legal profession, never mind the wider public, would be unable to formulate the appropriate form of words to express the conclusions based on the assimilation of huge quantities of material incorporating extremely complex legal issues.

A judgment, if it is well written and considered, truly is a thing of beauty and something to be both respected and admired. Why would any self respecting judge or tribunal member want to put that important and far-reaching undertaking in the hands of someone else?

 

[Coatigan]

He knows the ruling. I'm pretty confident of that.

Not if there is no ruling, like he says.

 

[BringBackSwales]

No surprise they are delaying the decision as long as they can. This was always about throwing as much mud as possible at Arab owned Manchester City and hoping some of it sticks. It has even though almost certainly innocent. They will let that play out as long as possible

 

[Lord Blue]

He knows the ruling. I'm pretty confident of that.

Maybe, maybe not. I think a bigger pointer might be that he knows we’re innocent.

 

[chaddblue]

Not if there is no ruling, like he says.

But the case is finished so there is a ruling, it's just not written up and published yet

Our legal team and the club will know what the ruling is but can't say anything yet

 

[bluemanchester]

It would be a gross dereliction of duty for any tribunal decision maker to task anyone with writing their determination for them. In cases such as this, these determinations are incredibly complex expositions which require a hugely layered and nuanced narrative in order to get the findings across in a way that is cogent, logical, coherent and as appeal proof as possible. They are essentially a novel where all the pieces of the plot need to fit together. Any worthwhile novelist wouldn’t get their PA to write their story for them - why would any tribunal member?

And no disrespect to anyone else, but these people are intellectually on a level that the vast majority of people within the legal profession, never mind the wider public, would be unable to formulate the appropriate form of words to express the conclusions based on the assimilation of huge quantities of material incorporating extremely complex legal issues.

A judgment, if it is well written and considered, truly is a thing of beauty and something to be both respected and admired. Why would any self respecting judge or tribunal member want to put that important and far-reaching undertaking in the hands of someone else?

So they have to be intellectually above most people to write
'no evidence' 115 times;-)

 

[Coatigan]

But the case is finished so there is a ruling, it's just not written up and published yet

Our legal team and the club will know what the ruling is but can't say anything yet

I don't think a case being heard means a ruling has been reached or made available to the parties. They will no doubt get it before the rest. Doubt it will be 6, 7, 10 months before everyone else though.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

So they have to be intellectually above most people to write
'no evidence' 115 times;-)

You forgot the 115 bullet points!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'll tell you what's going through my suspicious mind currently. That the outcome is known and has been for a couple of months. I've said this before and I'm standing by that (until I'm told otherwise). There was too much noise around March time for there not to be some smoke, even if the fire didn't catch hold.

When you read that MEN piece Link (and maybe I'm reading it wrong or with confirmation bias) there's a couple of things that stand out. The first is this phrase -
"it has now been five without a published result". Note that word 'published'. To me that implies there has been a result but it hasn't yet been published. The other thing is Khaldoon's tone, which is "be patient, it's coming". The impression I get from that is he knows the result but things just have to take their course. But what is that course?

I'm going to speculate that this outcome is so bad for one or more parties that they are finished.

For the party most obviously at risk, his employer may have been quietly head-hunting his successor, who might have to be more experienced at crisis-management than marketing. Another party who may be at risk is involved with a club that's had, for them, a successful season by winning a trophy at the end of the season and they didn't want anything to detract from that. Maybe it suits us to wait until the CWC is done and dusted, as we don't want any distractions before then.

As I said, this is pure speculation but could explain the situation.

 

[spinney]

I'll tell you what's going through my suspicious mind currently. That the outcome is known and has been for a couple of months. I've said this before and I'm standing by that (until I'm told otherwise). There was too much noise around March time for there not to be some smoke, even if the fire didn't catch hold.

When you read that MEN piece Link (and maybe I'm reading it wrong or with confirmation bias) there's a couple of things that stand out. The first is this phrase -
"it has now been five without a published result". Note that word 'published'. To me that implies there has been a result but it hasn't yet been published. The other thing is Khaldoon's tone, which is "be patient, it's coming". The impression I get from that is he knows the result but things just have to take their course. But what is that course?

I'm going to speculate that this outcome is so bad for one or more parties that they are finished.

For the party most obviously at risk, his employer may have been quietly head-hunting his successor, who might have to be more experienced at crisis-management than marketing. Another party who may be at risk is involved with a club that's had, for them, a successful season by winning a trophy at the end of the season and they didn't want anything to detract from that. Maybe it suits us to wait until the CWC is done and dusted, as we don't want any distractions before then.

As I said, this is pure speculation but could explain the situation.

yes speculation...... but very targeted !

 

[Kompany Car]

It would be a gross dereliction of duty for any tribunal decision maker to task anyone with writing their determination for them. In cases such as this, these determinations are incredibly complex expositions which require a hugely layered and nuanced narrative in order to get the findings across in a way that is cogent, logical, coherent and as appeal proof as possible. They are essentially a novel where all the pieces of the plot need to fit together. Any worthwhile novelist wouldn’t get their PA to write their story for them - why would any tribunal member?

And no disrespect to anyone else, but these people are intellectually on a level that the vast majority of people within the legal profession, never mind the wider public, would be unable to formulate the appropriate form of words to express the conclusions based on the assimilation of huge quantities of material incorporating extremely complex legal issues.

A judgment, if it is well written and considered, truly is a thing of beauty and something to be both respected and admired. Why would any self respecting judge or tribunal member want to put that important and far-reaching undertaking in the hands of someone else?

Be reet. The delay is all part of the pantomime. They will get AI to knock it up in a few minutes, have a quick scan read, whilst having a pint down the Dog and Duck and jobs a goodun. No need for the fancy arcane english, I mean its not like we are talking about something that impacts a multi billion pound industry ;-)

 

[cheekybids]

The feedback given to Khaldoon would have been the evidence provided by both or lack of from the premier league & the reactions, stunned silence & laughing from the panel.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Maybe, maybe not. I think a bigger pointer might be that he knows we’re innocent.

Yeah that's the impression I got. Confidence in his voice, the words he used.

Its just not how he would be acting if he knew it was a 50/50 and doesn't know what verdict they can come up with.

So I don't think he can know the actual result but can be confident we haven't breached anything and it's just waiting for the rubber stamp.

It's only a feeling though.

 

[bluemc]

I'll tell you what's going through my suspicious mind currently. That the outcome is known and has been for a couple of months. I've said this before and I'm standing by that (until I'm told otherwise). There was too much noise around March time for there not to be some smoke, even if the fire didn't catch hold.

When you read that MEN piece Link (and maybe I'm reading it wrong or with confirmation bias) there's a couple of things that stand out. The first is this phrase -
"it has now been five without a published result". Note that word 'published'. To me that implies there has been a result but it hasn't yet been published. The other thing is Khaldoon's tone, which is "be patient, it's coming". The impression I get from that is he knows the result but things just have to take their course. But what is that course?

I'm going to speculate that this outcome is so bad for one or more parties that they are finished.

For the party most obviously at risk, his employer may have been quietly head-hunting his successor, who might have to be more experienced at crisis-management than marketing. Another party who may be at risk is involved with a club that's had, for them, a successful season by winning a trophy at the end of the season and they didn't want anything to detract from that. Maybe it suits us to wait until the CWC is done and dusted, as we don't want any distractions before then.

As I said, this is pure speculation but could explain the situation.

Music to the ears of all blues but sounds like a bit of a stretch.......but I'm coming from a position of "don't give a fuck" when it comes to the people you're referring to. If their positions are in trouble because of what they've done then expose them asap. Expose them as the scumbags they are, put the verdict out there to exonerate my club (for a second time) and throw into the public domain what a stitch up it's been, and who it was led by. We owe them nothing, why delay the verdict to manage their exits and create situations that allow for celebration of their club's achievements?

Still, fingers and toes crossed!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The feedback given to Khaldoon would have been the evidence provided by both or lack of from the premier league & the reactions, stunned silence & laughing from the panel.

Would there have been feedback from the tribunal? Official I mean, is that part of the process? I'm just interested.

 

[CC1]

He knows the ruling. I'm pretty confident of that.

Surely when you’re paying a barrister & lawyers megabucks - you’re going to have a full discussion & breakdown on how the tribunal went. The lawyers will report on whether they felt their evidence was received well & indeed, whether the PL’s evidence was valid.

Sure - the tribunal might go away & produce a surprising decision but on the whole, Khaldoon will have been provided with a well thought out report on how the hearing went.

His attitude suggests he is happy. Either way, they’ll fight on because they’ve had enough of the continual corruption within the PL.

 

[johnny crossan]

I'll tell you what's going through my suspicious mind currently. That the outcome is known and has been for a couple of months. I've said this before and I'm standing by that (until I'm told otherwise). There was too much noise around March time for there not to be some smoke, even if the fire didn't catch hold.

When you read that MEN piece Link (and maybe I'm reading it wrong or with confirmation bias) there's a couple of things that stand out. The first is this phrase -
"it has now been five without a published result". Note that word 'published'. To me that implies there has been a result but it hasn't yet been published. The other thing is Khaldoon's tone, which is "be patient, it's coming". The impression I get from that is he knows the result but things just have to take their course. But what is that course?

I'm going to speculate that this outcome is so bad for one or more parties that they are finished.

For the party most obviously at risk, his employer may have been quietly head-hunting his successor, who might have to be more experienced at crisis-management than marketing. Another party who may be at risk is involved with a club that's had, for them, a successful season by winning a trophy at the end of the season and they didn't want anything to detract from that. Maybe it suits us to wait until the CWC is done and dusted, as we don't want any distractions before then.

As I said, this is pure speculation but could explain the situation.

I'd say the result was known when the hearing concluded last year but whether then or March it is crystal clear the PL is heading for a catastrophic kicking which the (growing) redshirt cartel majority who in remain in control - and are wholly responsible for their predicament - will delay for as long as they can. Their time is running out.

 

[bluemanchester]

You forgot the 115 bullet points!

All bullets are reserved for
Richards masters and himself;-)