The Labour Government

Vic said:
We've been closing unprofitable steelworks for decades. Ravenscraig, Consett, Brymbo. Sheffield ("Steel City") lost 50,000 steel and engineering jobs in Thatcher's first four years.

Don't lecture me on socialist principles. Good grief, Labour has just effectively nationalised the last blast furnaces in the UK - the Tories would have let Scunthorpe close. (Oh, sorry, they'd have negotiated with the Scunthorpe owners just like they'd negotiated with the Port Talbot owners, with Badenoch saying Labour had "let the unions dictate their action".)

The hypocrisy of some people, criticising Labour for actually doing what their Tories had conspicuously failed to do, and oblivious to the whole Thatcherite shtick of letting old industries die (latterly replicated by perhaps the only economist who supported Brexit and expected it to kill manufacturing in the UK). Get a grip,
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And there you go .....
Thatcher closed those nationalised Steelworks because they were unprofitable - did you support that at the time ?
Thatcher took on the Miners union and effectively closed the Coal industry because it was unprofitable - did you support her or the miners ?
Yet here you are supporting the same principles and actions I would imagine you derided Thatcher for at the time.
So what is it ? , did Thatcher win the idealogical argument , did she win you over ? Or is the revolutionary fire not burning so brightly in you?
 
Jeez. Thatcher was in charge 40 years or so ago.

She had her faults, and I despised her, but I don't ever recall her saying we should leave the EU and sacrifice our human rights.
 
Damocles said:
Disgusting comment tbh.

They dont hate the disabled, they just want them to live in a perpetual state of poverty which happens to be the thing that is the number one driver of substance abuse, mental health issues up to and including suicide in every developed nation on Earth.
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Kendall does, that's for sure.
 
Hertzblue said:
And there you go .....
Thatcher closed those nationalised Steelworks because they were unprofitable - did you support that at the time ?
Thatcher took on the Miners union and effectively closed the Coal industry because it was unprofitable - did you support her or the miners ?
Yet here you are supporting the same principles and actions I would imagine you derided Thatcher for at the time.
So what is it ? , did Thatcher win the idealogical argument , did she win you over ? Or is the revolutionary fire not burning so brightly in you?
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What on earth are you talking about? Whether I agree with it or not, Labour has saved unprofitable blast furnaces in Lincolnshire (and the good people there then voted Reform). The only moan from Tories is that Labour didn't save the blast furnaces in Wales that the Tory government hadn't even tried to save.

(Nationalisation - of the commanding heights of the economy - was never about keeping unprofitable industries going. Didn't you see Brassed Off - the Tories were closing profitable pits... See also Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. Look, if you want an education in labour / trade union history, there's a course on at the Working Class Museum in Salford.)
 
Vic said:
What on earth are you talking about? Whether I agree with it or not, Labour has saved unprofitable blast furnaces in Lincolnshire (and the good people there then voted Reform). The only moan from Tories is that Labour didn't save the blast furnaces in Wales that the Tory government hadn't even tried to save.

(Nationalisation - of the commanding heights of the economy - was never about keeping unprofitable industries going. Didn't you see Brassed Off - the Tories were closing profitable pits... See also Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. Look, if you want an education in labour / trade union history, there's a course on at the Working Class Museum in Salford.)
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It's obvious what he is asking you, you could just answer the question perhaps.
 
Vic said:
What on earth are you talking about? Whether I agree with it or not, Labour has saved unprofitable blast furnaces in Lincolnshire (and the good people there then voted Reform). The only moan from Tories is that Labour didn't save the blast furnaces in Wales that the Tory government hadn't even tried to save.

(Nationalisation - of the commanding heights of the economy - was never about keeping unprofitable industries going. Didn't you see Brassed Off - the Tories were closing profitable pits... See also Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. Look, if you want an education in labour / trade union history, there's a course on at the Working Class Museum in Salford.)
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I’m just surprised that the Working Class Movement Library (to give it its correct title) is in Salford and not in leafy suburban Surrey.

We all know that’s where the most working class people come from.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I’m just surprised that the Working Class Movement Library (to give it its correct title) is in Salford and not in leafy suburban Surrey.

We all know that’s where the most working class people come from.
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Only the shamed ones I believe, it's why they deserted the area en mass to escape persecution. I think most reside in Sussex although rumours of Sandbanks exist.

Don't tell Christoph Waltz though.
 
Vic said:
What on earth are you talking about? Whether I agree with it or not, Labour has saved unprofitable blast furnaces in Lincolnshire (and the good people there then voted Reform). The only moan from Tories is that Labour didn't save the blast furnaces in Wales that the Tory government hadn't even tried to save.

(Nationalisation - of the commanding heights of the economy - was never about keeping unprofitable industries going. Didn't you see Brassed Off - the Tories were closing profitable pits... See also Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. Look, if you want an education in labour / trade union history, there's a course on at the Working Class Museum in Salford.)
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No lessons required for me .
It’s hard work being a full time socialist isn’t it ?
So many contradictions to reconcile - easier to just ignore them .
 
Vic said:
What on earth are you talking about? Whether I agree with it or not, Labour has saved unprofitable blast furnaces in Lincolnshire (and the good people there then voted Reform). The only moan from Tories is that Labour didn't save the blast furnaces in Wales that the Tory government hadn't even tried to save.

(Nationalisation - of the commanding heights of the economy - was never about keeping unprofitable industries going. Didn't you see Brassed Off - the Tories were closing profitable pits... See also Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. Look, if you want an education in labour / trade union history, there's a course on at the Working Class Museum in Salford.)
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FFS Wales has always (last 26 years) had a Labour Government who have done sweet FA to save the businesses.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Reeves spending plans are a disaster - is that why the FTSE 100 finished on a high and the pound is up about 8% against the dollar? The markets are clearly as rattled as much as they were post the Truss fiscal event
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Neither the rise in FTSE 100 nor the rise in the cable rate has anything to do with this government’s policies.

I do chuckle that when we had a bit of growth Reeves was out saying her policies are being shown to be working, get a fall? It’s “disappointing”. I said at the time she was naive to claim credit for the rise.
 
BobKowalski said:
I understood there is a plan in place for Welsh steel making.

research.senedd.wales

Not ideal, but a better deal for steel?

Last week, the UK Government announced details of its deal with Tata Steel on the future of steelmaking at Port Talbot.
research.senedd.wales research.senedd.wales
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This is misinformation, you cannot make steel with an electric arc furnace. You just recycle old scrap steel.
 
tweety said:
Just checked the UK national debt clock and it's currently ticking over at £5170 per second. These numbers are insane and a big wake-up call must surely be close.
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COVID had a big part to play in this but it’s beginning to have a big impact on the government’s ability to fund / spend projects. Reeves doesn’t have a lot to play with so I don’t envy her task.

Chipping round the edges of debt isn’t going to improve the situation dramatically - we need a radical plan, I would have strongly favoured a 100% tax on excessive profits made by companies during COVID, that horse has probably bolted now though.
 
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