Tino Livramento

ninjamonkey said:
Aina, really? One solid season at forest and he's suddenly a viable target for us? He's a respectable midtable player, has been his entire career, will continue to be for what remains of it. He's also 29 before the turn of the year.

Nunes is currently better and shows much more potential and Rico Lewis being club trained makes him a better shout and he too shows more potential. Do some people want us challenging with United for midtable mediocrity or something?
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Nunes is not a right back and that was obvious countless times last season. Yes, he can run and cross, but he's not good enough defensively. Not to mention the amount of times he loses his head and gives the opponent the ball in dangerous areas.

Rico Lewis too has shown that right back is not the best position for him. He's much better in midfield.

I agree that Aina shouldn't be a target for us, and that we should look elsewhere, but Nunes is not better than him in that position and neither is Lewis. Aina would only be a short term fix, which we usually don't do, so I imagine we're looking elsewhere.
 
Might as well pay the money for Livramento. No point in buying Aina.

Total annual PSR cost is not much different if you pay a 70 million fee for Livramento and put him on 100k a week on a 6 year deal or buy Aina for 30 million and put him on a 3 year deal at 100k a week (due to him being 29). Only saves us 2 million (roughly) a season. Then it will end up costing us more in the long term as we would have to buy another RB in 3 years to replace Aina. Little resale value also.

Might as well just pay the money for Livramento and put him on a 6-7 year contract. He's a better suited player long term who weakens a rival rather than just a plaster to cover up a small wound.
 
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ninjamonkey said:
Aina, really? One solid season at forest and he's suddenly a viable target for us? He's a respectable midtable player, has been his entire career, will continue to be for what remains of it. He's also 29 before the turn of the year.

Nunes is currently better and shows much more potential and Rico Lewis being club trained makes him a better shout and he too shows more potential. Do some people want us challenging with United for midtable mediocrity or something?
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Could say the same about Livramento, this was his breakthrough season by a considerable margin and he wasn't as good as Aina was
 
bluemanc16 said:
Thank goodness we have professional people negotiating our transfers, Grealish alone would be sufficient to get that done
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Newcastle highest earner Bruno is on 160K a week, I am not sure if they are willing to pay 300K for Grealish +. transfer fee


I think no one will buy Jack, It will be a loan, but lets hope the club will not pay the majority of his wages
 
Tevez City said:
Newcastle highest earner Bruno is on 160K a week, I am not sure if they are willing to pay 300K for Grealish +. transfer fee


I think no one will buy Jack, It will be a loan, but lets hope the club will not pay the majority of his wages
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I think the club shouldn’t loan him out either. He needs to completely leave. It’s World Cup year and Grealish will have no other option.
Either he leaves completely or he won’t play.
 
Kladze said:
Nunes is not a right back and that was obvious countless times last season. Yes, he can run and cross, but he's not good enough defensively. Not to mention the amount of times he loses his head and gives the opponent the ball in dangerous areas.

Rico Lewis too has shown that right back is not the best position for him. He's much better in midfield.

I agree that Aina shouldn't be a target for us, and that we should look elsewhere, but Nunes is not better than him in that position and neither is Lewis. Aina would only be a short term fix, which we usually don't do, so I imagine we're looking elsewhere.
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Nunes wasn't a right back, he is now. He's got every attribute we want in one, we wouldn't have made champions league without him and we missed him everytime he was left out at the back end of the season. He gives away the ball in dangerous areas no more than Gvardiol our player of the season.
handsofstone said:
Could say the same about Livramento, this was his breakthrough season by a considerable margin and he wasn't as good as Aina was
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Livramento is just 22 and has missed a full season after an ACL injury, Aina is 28, they're not comparable
 
Legal Alien said:
He was born in London and was at the chavs as a kid.
I like him from what i've seen. He seems more defensive minded to me which would suit us if Ait-Nouri's going to be roaming on the left.
Apparently Forest activated a clause in his contract for another season, so no idea how much he'd cost or if he's available. Got to be worth asking though.
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Aina is 29 in a couple of months and will disappear to Afcon halfway through the season (which is a major consideration for us given our other full back will be doing exactly the same).

I just can’t see us even looking at him on that basis.

Decent player, but I’d imagine Livramento will still be seen as a way more attractive option even despite the inflated fee.
 
strudelslol said:
I get that. I'm more meaning, getting the right profile of home-grown talent has got to be incredibly difficult.

You would, ideally with all the caveats around home-grown players (price etc), want them to be a nailed-on starter for 80% of games at least. Don't envy the job at all.
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The sad thing is there’s barely any good HG players.

I was thinking about how insane it is that Newcastle fans want 80-100 mil for him.
Like what happened to the world
If we’re paying stupid money I would get Hakimi then fill the HG quota some other way.
Trafford, MGW or
Aina as a stop gap then find the next amazing RB

We could rationalise the 80 mil and say he could be our Walker and play for the next 10 years. So it makes sense. But it’s still ridiculous.
Livramento still plays for the u21
MGW isn’t even a starter on the NT
Wharton is decent but we already have that position stacked
Eze isn’t needed
Rogers ain’t better than any of our players
Madueke is pointless
Bowen is a bagsman but he’s great for West Ham not sure about us.

You get the picture. Finding our best HG player sounds incredibly hard as you say. Can’t get around overpaying. Just have to hold it and move on
 
BluestBlue said:
The sad thing is there’s barely any good HG players.

I was thinking about how insane it is that Newcastle fans want 80-100 mil for him.
Like what happened to the world
If we’re paying stupid money I would get Hakimi then fill the HG quota some other way.
Trafford, MGW or
Aina as a stop gap then find the next amazing RB

We could rationalise the 80 mil and say he could be our Walker and play for the next 10 years. So it makes sense. But it’s still ridiculous.
Livramento still plays for the u21
MGW isn’t even a starter on the NT
Wharton is decent but we already have that position stacked
Eze isn’t needed
Rogers ain’t better than any of our players
Madueke is pointless
Bowen is a bagsman but he’s great for West Ham not sure about us.

You get the picture. Finding our best HG player sounds incredibly hard as you say. Can’t get around overpaying. Just have to hold it and move on
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Agree with every word. Like livramento, bit 70m + just seems ridiculous. I know we need a RB, but with the additions we've made already, I'd fancy us to have a good go at a title challenge anyway.
 
Blue tiger said:
Agree with every word. Like livramento, bit 70m + just seems ridiculous. I know we need a RB, but with the additions we've made already, I'd fancy us to have a good go at a title challenge anyway.
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You see it but at the same time.
I prefer the peace of mind having a backline we would t have to worry about for the foreseeable future.
The new system relies so heavily on the fullbacks we need the best we can get. If we get him we’re definitely favourites in my head.
 
Nico and Nunez will be another season into their defensive transformation.

I know we'd all like an organic RB (me too), but maybe Nico or Nunez could do a job their for now. I think him and Kusanov would be decent on the right side of defence, especially as Kusanov has pace to burn.

Would it be the end of the world if we didn't get a right back yet?
 
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I shudder every time I see someone say a random squad player "could do a job" at right back.

A year ago we didn't need to replace Alvarez because we had about twenty players who could "do a job" as a false nine.

Let's address our one real remaining weakness when the transfer window reopens. It's not like we don't have the money.
 
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