26 | Savinho - 2024/25

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JDV said:
I don't think they're underrated at this current moment but agree they all have huge ceilings and potential for all 3 to be world cclassif they keep working hard
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You conveyed my thoughts better than i did. Yes, i think they all havr World Class potential
 
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Columbia said:
Yeah who needs a winger who scores goals and has an end product. He’s nowhere near good enough for city. Has lots of fan boys on here but I’ve seen him close up in every game he’s played this season and he’s poor.
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And this is why say our fans are plastic
 
Had a really promising couple of months at the start of the season, a little lull before a renaissance when he played left wing and then struggled over the back end of the season.

Probably a 6.5/10 over the whole season. Players like Rodri, Bernardo, Sane had poorer first seasons than he did.

It’s a big jump to the Premier League and he undoubtedly has huge ability, just hopes he can be more clinical and step up his work rate and properly starting pressing as we cannot carry players..
 
Dax777 said:
I think he, Doku and Bobb are grossly underrated. I hope they can reach their full potential with us.
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Don't think Bobb has been rated properly. He's hardly played ever we don't have enough to judge him at this stage, we can't live off one goal against Newcastle.

Doku and Savinho need to sort their end product game out, then yes they can be world class.
 
Worzel Gummidge#9 said:
People on here saying he is poor are quick to judge and must have a short memory, he was really good when he first arrived then unfortunately suffered an injury not long after, he is only 21 give the lad a chance ffs.

Some of these threads are shocking
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Some posters are excellent when spotting a dud player.
They have spotted Davi Silva, Rodri, Bernardo among many others.
 
Columbia said:
Yeah who needs a winger who scores goals and has an end product. He’s nowhere near good enough for city. Has lots of fan boys on here but I’ve seen him close up in every game he’s played this season and he’s poor.
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He has played 29 PL games for us with 11 goals/assists.

Doku has played exactly double the number PL games (58) and has exactly double the number of goals/assists (22), so their end product has been identical.

Despite Savinho being a couple of years younger and in his first season with us, you say he's poor with no end product, yet you say of Doku (from the Doku thread):

"This guy is a generational talent and he’s still relatively young. Every top team would want him."

Saying one is poor and not good enough for us, while the other is a generational talent just doesn't make sense.

IMO both are very good players that need to improve their end product.
 
PragueBlue said:
He has played 29 PL games for us with 11 goals/assists.

Doku has played exactly double the number PL games (58) and has exactly double the number of goals/assists (22), so their end product has been identical.

Despite Savinho being a couple of years younger and in his first season with us, you say he's poor with no end product, yet you say of Doku (from the Doku thread):

"This guy is a generational talent and he’s still relatively young. Every top team would want him."

Saying one is poor and not good enough for us, while the other is a generational talent just doesn't make sense.

IMO both are very good players that need to improve their end product.
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Because two players having equal "end product" in boxscore terms does not mean they are equally good, have equal potential and create the same amount. Seriously end product merchants are so myopic, its like they don't even watch games.
 
Belgian Flash said:
Because two players having equal "end product" in boxscore terms does not mean they are equally good, have equal potential and create the same amount. Seriously end product merchants are so myopic, its like they don't even watch games.
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The poster never said that they were equally good but that they had equal end product.
What is clear is that you consider Doku a generation talent that every top team would want whilst dissing Savinho.
I don't see much difference between them, can be great yet frustrating
I am of the opinion that both can have good careers with us but also need to improve.
Savinho has a couple of great assists for Haaland this season but obviously not enough.
The Haaland headed goal against West Ham was a super goal and also the threaded ball against Arsenal to Haaland.
Could be a great partnership but only potential at the moment.
 
PragueBlue said:
He has played 29 PL games for us with 11 goals/assists.

Doku has played exactly double the number PL games (58) and has exactly double the number of goals/assists (22), so their end product has been identical.

Despite Savinho being a couple of years younger and in his first season with us, you say he's poor with no end product, yet you say of Doku (from the Doku thread):

"This guy is a generational talent and he’s still relatively young. Every top team would want him."

Saying one is poor and not good enough for us, while the other is a generational talent just doesn't make sense.

IMO both are very good players that need to improve their end product.
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Whilst I agree with your overall point your numbers are wrong.

Savinho has got 9 G/A in 29 PL games. Doku has 20 G/A in 58 PL games (11 G/A in 29 games 23/24 season + 9 G/A in 29 games 24/25 season)

Attached their player profiles from the official PL website below

Savinho Manchester City Forward, Profile & Stats | Premier League

View the player profile of Manchester City Forward Savinho, including statistics and photos, on the official website of the Premier League.
www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com

Jérémy Doku Manchester City Forward, Profile & Stats | Premier League

View the player profile of Manchester City Forward Jérémy Doku, including stats and videos, on the official website of the Premier League.
www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com
 
De Bruyne Supremacy said:
Whilst I agree with your overall point your numbers are wrong.

Savinho has got 9 G/A in 29 PL games. Doku has 20 G/A in 58 PL games (11 G/A in 29 games 23/24 season + 9 G/A in 29 games 24/25 season)

Attached their player profiles from the official PL website below

Savinho Manchester City Forward, Profile & Stats | Premier League

View the player profile of Manchester City Forward Savinho, including statistics and photos, on the official website of the Premier League.
www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com

Jérémy Doku Manchester City Forward, Profile & Stats | Premier League

View the player profile of Manchester City Forward Jérémy Doku, including stats and videos, on the official website of the Premier League.
www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com
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Thanks for the correction.

I took my figures from https://www.transfermarkt.com/vergleich/spielervergleich/statistik/def/spieler/743591&486049 which seem to be a little out. Apologies.
 
I think with Cherki and a Foden more in form, Savinho will go up a gear (along with his own natural progression).
 
Xhavenjoe said:
The poster never said that they were equally good but that they had equal end product.
What is clear is that you consider Doku a generation talent that every top team would want whilst dissing Savinho.
I don't see much difference between them, can be great yet frustrating
I am of the opinion that both can have good careers with us but also need to improve.
Savinho has a couple of great assists for Haaland this season but obviously not enough.
The Haaland headed goal against West Ham was a super goal and also the threaded ball against Arsenal to Haaland.
Could be a great partnership but only potential at the moment.
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I'm sorry but Savinho is not in the same tier as Doku in terms of potential. Don't need boxscore stats for that, the eye test is clear. Doku has worldclass potential, Savinho's ceiling is lower imo.
 
Belgian Flash said:
I'm sorry but Savinho is not in the same tier as Doku in terms of potential. Don't need boxscore stats for that, the eye test is clear. Doku has worldclass potential, Savinho's ceiling is lower imo.
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If you'd had said the other way round I would have been inclined to almost agree, but truth is they are both as good / bad as each other and both will have to improve this season that's for sure, arguably Doku more so
 
Belgian Flash said:
I'm sorry but Savinho is not in the same tier as Doku in terms of potential. Don't need boxscore stats for that, the eye test is clear. Doku has worldclass potential, Savinho's ceiling is lower imo.
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I know very little about box score stats.
My eyesight is very good after getting a cataract removed on my left eye.
Doku may well turn out better than Savinho but you supposedly said "This guy is a generational talent and he’s still relatively young"

At the moment he is potential with a tendency to frustrate.
Time will tell
 
Belgian Flash said:
I'm sorry but Savinho is not in the same tier as Doku in terms of potential. Don't need boxscore stats for that, the eye test is clear. Doku has worldclass potential, Savinho's ceiling is lower imo.
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the first 5 games savinho was the clearly better player + savinho had stats Doku still never had. Doku has superior dribbling stats but can’t even get into good positions like Savinho. Both have world class potential and I do think Savinho‘s ceiling is higher alone due to the fact that it was his first season and he still had similar stats to Doku.
 
King Jay said:
the first 5 games savinho was the clearly better player + savinho had stats Doku still never had. Doku has superior dribbling stats but can’t even get into good positions like Savinho. Both have world class potential and I do think Savinho‘s ceiling is higher alone due to the fact that it was his first season and he still had similar stats to Doku.
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"Stats" smh. There is nothing that Savinho does better than Doku.
 
Belgian Flash said:
I'm sorry but Savinho is not in the same tier as Doku in terms of potential. Don't need boxscore stats for that, the eye test is clear. Doku has worldclass potential, Savinho's ceiling is lower imo.
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What gives you the impression that Doku has world class potential? Genuinely interested as to how you think he could improve to be classed as one of the very best wingers in the world - on par with Salah, Vinicious or Kvara? Because I've seen little to suggest that.

He can be better than he currently is, but he's miles off world class
 
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