The Labour Government

BlueHammer85 said:
The government has pledged to spend £900m on major sporting events and grassroots facilities across the UK as part of a "transformational" investment.

More than £0.5bn of the money will be used to support the delivery of "a pipeline of major international events", including Euro 2028, which will be hosted in the UK and Ireland.

The 2026 European Athletics Championships in Birmingham and the Grand Departs of the men's and women's Tour de France cycling races in 2027 will also benefit.
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The biggest investment in sport in the UK over the last few decades has come from the National Lottery. They have pumped huge amounts of money, not only into grass roots sport, but also national teams as well.

It's the single biggest reason we now punch well above our weight in sport and perform so well at, for example, the Olympic games.

I remember the 70's and 80's when athletes from all disciplines were bemoaning the lack of investment as their biggest handicap to competing at a level their talent deserved.

I'm not in any way dismissive of the governments pledge, but the transformational investment into sport began years ago with National Lottery funding, and our athletes have been reaping the rewards from that ever since.
 
inbetween said:
Would you have allowed a referendum in the first place? If not then you can't really say that you wanted more democracy. I'm sure you're of the view that the majority of the electorate are too stupid to be allowed to vote at all.

The referendum simply asked do you want to leave the EU and that's it. If somebody wanted to leave the EU and they voted to leave the EU and then we left the EU then that referendum has been satisfied. Their reasons for wanting to leave are far too complex to be reduced down to lies. My father in law was a hard line Brexiter and his mind was made up long before the referendum was even held.

It was also impossible that anybody could have voted for a realistic Brexit because the EU would not allow any pre-negotiations so a well-defined version to vote for could never exist. So for those who wanted to consider a serious Brexit then what were they going to vote for other than an optimistic view?

The definition of Brexit, ie the negotiated version only began once we triggered Article 50 but unfortunately the Tory government did that without any knowledge of what it wanted to negotiate. They then LOST all authority in Parliament and our position was compromised to essentially salvage anything that could be salvaged.

I don't see why any of this is the fault of the people who voted for it. It's the fault of politicians, Parliament and the political system which gave us this end result. And what sums up this awful end result? Theresa May was given a peerage!
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The People were told that it was a ''non binding advisory referendum ''...........to then force us to leave was hardly democratic.
 
NPBlue said:
The biggest investment in sport in the UK over the last few decades has come from the National Lottery. They have pumped huge amounts of money, not only into grass roots sport, but also national teams as well.

It's the single biggest reason we now punch well above our weight in sport and perform so well at, for example, the Olympic games.

I remember the 70's and 80's when athletes from all disciplines were bemoaning the lack of investment as their biggest handicap to competing at a level their talent deserved.

I'm not in any way dismissive of the governments pledge, but the transformational investment into sport began years ago with National Lottery funding, and our athletes have been reaping the rewards from that ever since.
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See - people will pay voluntary taxes for good causes.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The People were told that it was a ''non binding advisory referendum ''...........to then force us to leave was hardly democratic.
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I don't think they were told, but legally it was just that. No need to rehearse all that from nine years ago, or the lies like the £350m to the NHS or still being in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border, but I'm still going to call out the nutters and the bloviators and those who thought Frost was a brilliant negotiator and those who still try the "yah boo we won you lost suck it up get over it" triumphalism in the face of the obvious costs of Brexit. And that's just @Oldham Exile!
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The People were told that it was a ''non binding advisory referendum ''...........to then force us to leave was hardly democratic.
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Nobody was 'forced' to leave, it was the decision of the elected Government of the time to do so having gained a Parliamentary majority.

Labour could have the UK take steps to rejoin the EU without holding a referendum at all as they too hold a Parliamentary majority and that Government policy would likely pass upon reaching a vote in the HoC. The Rollback deal they just agreed wasn't done with approval of a public referendum. That decision would also be democratic. Because Parliament is sovereign, not the people.
 
Metal Biker said:
Nobody was 'forced' to leave, it was the decision of the elected Government of the time to do so having gained a Parliamentary majority.

Labour could have the UK take steps to rejoin the EU without holding a referendum at all as they too hold a Parliamentary majority and that Government policy would likely pass upon reaching a vote in the HoC. The Rollback deal they just agreed wasn't done with approval of a public referendum. That decision would also be democratic. Because Parliament is sovereign, not the people.
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The people of Scotland , Northern Ireland and Gibraltar were 'forced to leave against their wishes and against the democratic vote of those countries....
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The people of Scotland , Northern Ireland and Gibraltar were 'forced to leave against their wishes and against the democratic vote of those countries....
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The UK Parliament also encompasses Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The decision of the democratically elected UK Conservative Goverment was to leave the EU under the deal agreed upon and proposed by the Conservative Government, which then went to Parliament in the HoC. It passed. After the House of Lords ratified it, it became law.

As you pointed out, it was a "non-binding referendum" not a "democratic vote". So the people of Gibraltar did not hold a 'democratic vote' to remain
 
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Vic said:
I don't think they were told, but legally it was just that. No need to rehearse all that from nine years ago, or the lies like the £350m to the NHS or still being in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border, but I'm still going to call out the nutters and the bloviators and those who thought Frost was a brilliant negotiator and those who still try the "yah boo we won you lost suck it up get over it" triumphalism in the face of the obvious costs of Brexit. And that's just @Oldham Exile!
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Oh no Vic the Labour salesman is after us, pmsl. 10 years and counting and that sense of self importance is still strong.

I'm gonna hide in off topic till it blows over(another 10, 20 years? Who knows) Vic is coming Vic is coming

Haha who posts that without any self awareness at all. You're Liam Neeson to me now:-)
 
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hilts said:
Oh no Vic the Labour salesman is after us, pmsl. 10 years and counting and that sense of self importance is still strong.

I'm gonna hide in off topic till it blows over(another 10, 20 years? Who knows) Vic is coming Vic is coming

Haha who posts that without any self awareness at all. You're Liam Leeson to me now:-)
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Pathetic. I didn't even understand the reference. Did you mean Niam Neeson?
 
This is why Starmer bent down to lift the papers - save an elderly gent embarrassment. Starmer cannot however improve Trumps swing

 
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