Tino Livramento

uwe rosler 28 said:
All I'm hearing is we need a right back to win the league. I also heard we need a left back to win the league when we was playing Delph then Zinchenko. That didn't end up to bad.
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Buying a top RB won't make us a worse team though will it. It's not as though we can't afford it either. Looking at the squad I think it's the only position that we need to strengthen now, I see some posters saying we should still get MGW, now that would be a waste of money because where would he play, and instead of who?
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Buying a top RB won't make us a worse team though will it. It's not as though we can't afford it either. Looking at the squad I think it's the only position that we need to strengthen now, I see some posters saying we should still get MGW, now that would be a waste of money because where would he play, and instead of who?
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Gundog, Kovacic, Philips, Nunes & McAtee?
 
Mancini’s Pastilles said:
And how did our season go?
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Youve missed the point of my question. You said and I quote :"then weve just switched our problem from left back to right back."

The above suggests the problem was leftbsck last season implying RB was fine. And by fixing the left back problem we've simply switched the problem to RB.

Hence my question, who was the satisfactory RB from last season?
 
Dribble said:
Gundog, Kovacic, Philips, Nunes & McAtee?
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He's not playing in front of Rodri, Reijnders, Nico G, Bernardo, Gundogan or Kovacic for me, I'd also like to see O'Reilly get some time in central midfield this season in cup games or off the bench in the prem.

No way he plays as a ten either, we are stacked for options in that position.
 
Dax777 said:
Youve missed the point of my question. You said and I quote :"then weve just switched our problem from left back to right back."

The above suggests the problem was leftbsck last season implying RB was fine. And by fixing the left back problem we've simply switched the problem to RB.

Hence my question, who was the satisfactory RB from last season?
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Ah fair. I indeed did miss your point. Weve had a left back problem for about 5 year's. Only really had a right back issue for 6 months after Walker fucked off. What i mean anyway is now we have left back finally sorted. Lets quickly get right back sorted properly and not let it turn into a problem
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
He's not playing in front of Rodri, Reijnders, Nico G, Bernardo, Gundogan or Kovacic for me, I'd also like to see O'Reilly get some time in central midfield this season in cup games or off the bench in the prem.

No way he plays as a ten either, we are stacked for options in that position.
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Looking to the future.

City Transfers

Out:
KDB
Philips
Walker
Stones
Nunes
Gundog
Grealish
McAtee
Kovacic

In:
Livramento
Gibbs-white

Livramento, MGW & HG problem solved...
 
Dribble said:
Looking to the future.

City Transfers

Out:
KDB
Philips
Walker
Stones
Nunes
Gundog
Grealish
McAtee
Kovacic

In:
Livramento
Gibbs-white

Livramento, MGW & HG problem solved...
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If only it were that easy selling 8 players who are currently contracted to the club this window.

A different story next summer with the players we have out of contact. MGW might be an option then but no chance and not needed for this coming season.
 
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The Stockport Iniesta said:
If only it were that easy selling 8 players who are currently contracted to the club this window.

A different story next summer with the players we have out of contact. MGW might be an option then but no chance and not needed for this coming season.
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I agree. Which is the reason we pay professionals good, actually very good money, to do a job, as it's not easy. Because it will indeed be an entirely different story next summer with the players in question out of contract, as you say: They will leave for free. Convenient perhaps, also lazy. Probably not the best solution for the club...

Regarding the RB: I am not going to debate on the issue. And I won't comment on the "arguments" regarding the well known limitations we had to deal with in recent years. You see, Guardiola is an alien. He is not human. The man has delivered under whatever circumstances. Without a SC, without fullbacks, with a criminally thin squad, and so on, and so on. It would have been mission impossible for everybody else, not for him. And? We have all witnessed this journey, we know how delicate balances were (don't we?), how tight it has been. The team has suffered for years, the boys gave everything, literally everything. Guardiola's work is unmatched, absolutely, but it was also down to sacrifice, Kevin, Bernardo, Rodrigo and the rest almost died on the pitch in order to deliver. Exactly because of the squad's limitations. And let's not pretend that we forget that rivals fucked up in the process, unable to handle the psychological pressure. Otherwise it could have been different...

Decision makers are there to protect Guardiola (also from himself), they are there to support him. Does that concept seem to be clear in some people's mind? They are there to help him. To help him, not to make things difficult for him. It doesn't fucking matter whether / what he asks or not. Because he doesn't, that's his "weakness". Which means, there is no debate regarding the RB, a quality RB that is, as I've already said. Whoever that will be, however, he cannot and will not play every 3-4 days. So somebody like Matheus will be needed to provide cover. Finally, looking at that list, I would be reluctant letting Mateo leave. Provided that everything goes smoothly with his recovery, of course. Very good player, reliable, useful. But if somebody like MGW arrives, it's a different discussion perhaps...
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
If only it were that easy selling 8 players who are currently contracted to the club this window.

A different story next summer with the players we have out of contact. MGW might be an option then but no chance and not needed for this coming season.
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Sell, loan or bench. With the nominal fees received & wages saved, Pep will get the smaller squad he wants & City will get the next generation squad Khaldoon promised a few weeks ago.

There should be no time for sentiment in our quest to restore our future competitiveness. IMO, the worst thing we can do this summer is stymie the progress of our talented youngsters, in favour of retaining our ailing & fading treble legends.

We've also got HG & foreign quotas to meet too, so a huge squad reduction is necessary regardless. IMO, it would be a massive step backwards to loan out the likes of Echeverri, Bobb, Lewis, Doku, Savinho, Khusanov & Reis etc, to achieve the required quotas & squad reductions, just to accommodate players who probably won't be at Manchester City for the 2026/7 season.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Buying a top RB won't make us a worse team though will it. It's not as though we can't afford it either. Looking at the squad I think it's the only position that we need to strengthen now, I see some posters saying we should still get MGW, now that would be a waste of money because where would he play, and instead of who?
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No it won't but for the money being talked I'd want someone a lot better than livremento. Can't see us going foreign as we have to many as it is atm.
 
Dribble said:
Looking to the future.

City Transfers

Out:
KDB
Philips
Walker
Stones
Nunes
Gundog
Grealish
McAtee
Kovacic

In:
Livramento
Gibbs-white

Livramento, MGW & HG problem solved...
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Nunes should stay, imo.
He is a decent all-out-attack (backup) RB

I would still quite like MGW. He wouldn't be guaranteed a first XI place, but a Livramento-MGW-Cherki right side could work really well. Cherki moving central, MGW capable of overlapping and underlapping and putting in a good outswinging ball (KDB-lite), with Livramento offering support to a much higher quality than Akanji typically does in that area (I never want to see Akanji in and around the corner of the opposition's box again - every attack dies)
Without MGW we don't really have a midfielder to make the above work. To get Cherki inside, it is all going to fall on the RB. That is a lot of running.
 
Silva_Spell said:
Nunes should stay, imo.
He is a decent all-out-attack (backup) RB

I would still quite like MGW. He wouldn't be guaranteed a first XI place, but a Livramento-MGW-Cherki right side could work really well. Cherki moving central, MGW capable of overlapping and underlapping and putting in a good outswinging ball (KDB-lite), with Livramento offering support to a much higher quality than Akanji typically does in that area (I never want to see Akanji in and around the corner of the opposition's box again - every attack dies)
Without MGW we don't really have a midfielder to make the above work. To get Cherki inside, it is all going to fall on the RB. That is a lot of running.
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Did we sell Phil foden?
 
uwe rosler 28 said:
All I'm hearing is we need a right back to win the league. I also heard we need a left back to win the league when we was playing Delph then Zinchenko. That didn't end up to bad.
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I'm not to sure how many times I heard that, though many thought a left back would improve us.
Personally I thought we looked defensively most secure with a defender at left back even if they were not formally a left back.
Ake when fit gave me the most confidence in this respect.
 
Dribble said:
Gundog, Kovacic, Philips, Nunes & McAtee?
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70-80m to sit out the big games, unless we have injuries. Ridiculous.

And for the lesser games, in which we can use 4 attacking players and 2 CM, we have many players competing for a place: why put Cherki or Doku or Marmoush or Foden or Savinho on the bench to watch MWG? Pointless.

MGW + 30m could buy us a top talent.
 
madloaf said:
Did we sell Phil foden?
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Some games it could be
Marmoush Haaland
--------Cherki
Foden---------Reijnders
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Reijnders MGW
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Foden---MGW
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Reijnders---MGW

We have had
Foden, Bernardo, Gundo, KDB for the 8 positions before
Foden, Bernardo, Reijnders, MGW can work, esp. considering Reijnders is similar to Gundo and MGW is similar (stylistically) to KDB


For the front 5 positions, a squad of
Marmoush/Doku Haaland/Bobb Cherki/Savinho
Foden/Bernardo Reijnders/MGW
feels natural to me ...tho I wouldn't spend more than 65m on MGW
 
Silva_Spell said:
Some games it could be
Marmoush Haaland
--------Cherki
Foden---------Reijnders
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Reijnders MGW
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Foden---MGW
or
Marmoush Haaland Cherki
------Reijnders---MGW

We have had
Foden, Bernardo, Gundo, KDB for the 8 positions before
Foden, Bernardo, Reijnders, MGW can work, esp. considering Reijnders is similar to Gundo and MGW is similar (stylistically) to KDB


For the front 5 positions, a squad of
Marmoush/Doku Haaland/Bobb Cherki/Savinho
Foden/Bernardo Reijnders/MGW
feels natural to me.
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I don't see how fitting Morgan Gibbs white into any of those variations is better than any one of Bernardo, Foden, Cherki, Marmoush, reindeers, nico or to be honest giving O'Reilly a run. And that's before we talk about our two wingers. I get what you're saying, I just wonder if that's a position we really need filling.
 
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