Paul Gascoigne

It’s Not just a case of stopping drinking though is it? An alcoholic can not just stop. They have to reduce their intake bit by bit until it becomes nothing. All the science tells you this.
The frustrations are bourne out amongst the loved ones of the alcoholic who are absolutely desperate for that person to quit and feel helpless.
I know - it happened to me with my ex of 18 years. She’d end up in hospital to detox, got clean in there, came out after many weeks and went straight back on it again. Her family in the main have distanced themselves from her, including her two children. Her sister remains as the sole person still looking out for her but she herself has suffered so much because of it that she has had to undergo counselling therapy. It’s a right mess. The last thing I heard was that my ex was in the care of social services mental health team and now has her own alcohol support worker. I also heard that she was back in hospital. The choices she has made are abysmal and like Gazza she seems unable to make good ones. Tragic really.
As you know from experience there is physical addiction and mental addiction. Someone who is physically addicted is chemically dependent on alcohol and will end up seriously ill or dead if they just stop drinking. Detox is a chemical/biological process and is totally dependent on the individual.

Alcoholism takes over someone's personality. Everything about their life revolves around getting a drink and the deceit and shame that goes along with that. The chemical addiction can be overcome, but the mental triggers are never truly broken.
 
Not really sure how i feel about this, on one hand i feel for the guy given he is battling his demons snd struggling eith addiction. On the other hand he has had mire than enough resouces available to him to break these addictions.

It seems to me that he doesnt really have the will to give up and help himself.

I always thought there must be people close to him who were able to help him, from what i have read he hasnt been short of these people or offers of support but seems incapable of following this through.

Surprised he has made it this far in fairness, while i hope we straightens hid life out i think he will sucumb eventually.
 
Not really sure how i feel about this, on one hand i feel for the guy given he is battling his demons snd struggling eith addiction. On the other hand he has had mire than enough resouces available to him to break these addictions.

It seems to me that he doesnt really have the will to give up and help himself.

I always thought there must be people close to him who were able to help him, from what i have read he hasnt been short of these people or offers of support but seems incapable of following this through.

Surprised he has made it this far in fairness, while i hope we straightens hid life out i think he will sucumb eventually.
Gazza was a dick before he became an alcoholic. Alcohol just amplifies his bad personality traits.
 
Not really sure how i feel about this, on one hand i feel for the guy given he is battling his demons snd struggling eith addiction. On the other hand he has had mire than enough resouces available to him to break these addictions.

It seems to me that he doesnt really have the will to give up and help himself.

I always thought there must be people close to him who were able to help him, from what i have read he hasnt been short of these people or offers of support but seems incapable of following this through.

Surprised he has made it this far in fairness, while i hope we straightens hid life out i think he will sucumb eventually.
Where is Jimmy" 5 bellies" Gardner when you need him.
 
I remember reading that the night England lost in the WC Semi-Final, Bobby Robson consoled Gascoigne with the words "Cheer up lad, you are young, and will play in other World Cups." Sadly that was not to be as England didn't qualify for USA 94, and Hoddle didn't select Gascoigne for France 98.
 
I remember reading that the night England lost in the WC Semi-Final, Bobby Robson consoled Gascoigne with the words "Cheer up lad, you are young, and will play in other World Cups." Sadly that was not to be as England didn't qualify for USA 94, and Hoddle didn't select Gascoigne for France 98.
His consolation was that he got a very lucrative contract from Walkers Crisps a few years later.
 
I remember they used to do a really strong version of that. I think it was 9% ABV. IIRC, a few of us stupidly attempted to drink it in The Queen's Head on Underbank towards the end of the Hillgate Crawl in 1989!
That's even stronger than Tennent's Stupour !
 
Greenalls brought out a lager in the early 80’s called Gold.
That was true loopy juice.
 
Even worse, Holts bitter for those of us who remember, could be very tempremental back then, and the lager was absolute shite, Holtenbrau or Regal...and Boddingtons was excellent..any sense they woulda hit the boddies pubs...The priory was quite upmarket, and obv was full of local...talent.
Holts bitter could always be relied on to clear the bowels after the first pint.
 
That's probably why they call it the shame location.
Fairly offensive to actually sick people to call alcoholism a disease.

Lung cancer is a disease. It happens to you regardless of your actions. Alcoholism is knowing you're doing something wrong and choosing to do it anyway. Nobody ever got drunk by slipping and landing in a pool of vodka that they were forced to drink their way out of.

When I went through rehab, the "addiction is a disease" thing just gave a bunch of people who were desperate to have a beer yet another excuse to have a beer. They were ill. Wasn't their fault. It's just something that happened to them. The rehab model that shows much more results stresses personal responsibility. Gazza isn't ill. He's not a victim. He creates victims in his family and friends.

There's 100 choices that you make when you decide to partake in whatever substance is your thing. You get dressed, you find your shoes, you ties your shoes, you walk out the door, you walk to the top of the street, you turn right (etc), you walk into the offy, you head for the beer, you pick up the beer, you purchase the beer, you walk back, you sit down with the beer, you open the beer, you take a swig of the beer, you take another swig of the beer, etc, etc. There's 100 decisions that you have a yes or no choice to make and for you to not drink, you only need to say no once. People drink because they want to. They make active choices to do so.

Saying that people have a drink because of mental health or trauma is a cop out. There's millions with mental health or PTSD who don't decide to piss their lives away, it's another excuse and addiction thrives off people giving them excuses to use. Once I knew a lad who said that he went out and got sniffed up because he had an argument with his missus, with him thinking this is a perfectly valid thing. I asked him why he didn't bang his head against a brick wall after he argued with his missus. It's the same idea. He did it because he wanted to and now had a convenient excuse to do so.

Outside the physical addiction which can be managed under hospital care, quitting substance abuse is the easiest thing in the entire world. All you have to do to stop drinking is stop putting beer in your mouth. Or drugs in your lungs/nose/veins. This mass overcomplicating and babying is not helpful and more importantly, doesn't produce results. If Gazza wants to kick drinking then all he has to do, is to stop putting beer in his mouth. Everything else is window dressing.
There's a hundred and one mental illnesses tied up in it. There's no doubt that some people could just quit as easily as you say. I've watched two people die from alcoholism. One deserved it, the other had the shittest start in life that followed him round until his body gave up on him in his early 40s.

One size doesn't fit all with recovery and one brush around 'illness' doesn't paint the same picture
 
It a disease caused by life choices, in the same way smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease.
So not a disease then. Smoking isn't a disease, it causes diseases.

Nothing that's a choice is a disease. You don't choose to have cancer or dementia. You do choose to drink.


It’s Not just a case of stopping drinking though is it? An alcoholic can not just stop. They have to reduce their intake bit by bit until it becomes nothing. All the science tells you this.
I did say outside the physical addiction that's managed by the hospital.

People like the disease model because it reduces the responsibility of the person. My Gran died of drink, my Grandad always spoke about how she had this disease because its easier for him to think she was a victim rather than the more accurate idea that she just chose to drink knowing the harm it caused others around her. She didn’t care.

Someone said here that addiction takes over your life, and this is true. But every addict or former addict here will tell you that what I'm saying is right. You know exactly what you're doing and ultimately you make the choice to do it willingly.

Oh and the idea that addiction "triggers" never go away is just wrong. Again its not an illness. You weren't bitten by a vampire and now are fucked up for life. You just refused to put down the bottle or the needle.
 

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