Its amazing how many people underrated how much we missed John Stones last year. The focus was on Rodri for obvious reasons but Stones was literally MOTM in the CL final even though Rodri got the winning goal.....Sometimes, the players who go about their business quietly & efficiently are the foundation on which everything is built.
Opposition fans always looked toward our superstars as the ones who made City, City. However, most City fans pointed to the likes of Fernandinho or Rodri, as the glue that gelled everything together. Remove that, & everything else falls apart as we saw last season & in the CL Final against Chelsea.
Gold doesn't always glitter...
And you've done exactly the same thing with AWB whos been amazing for West Ham going forward depth powerful runs, also getting more assits and goalsHe’s not comparable to Wan Bissaka other than being a very good one v one defender. Bissaka on the ball made Walker look like Cafu. Livramento is already much better on the ball than Walker ever was. People are missing how good he is on the ball because they just look at his lack of assists
One of the few Right Backs last season who dealt with Yamal pretty comfortably.Vanderson would be an excellent choice to come in mate.
Players like Stones aren't replaceable in today's market.Its amazing how many people underrated how much we missed John Stones last year. The focus was on Rodri for obvious reasons but Stones was literally MOTM in the CL final even though Rodri got the winning goal.....
I dont think many opposition fans even realise this was a major issue for us and nearly as central as Rodri
Yamal didn’t even play against him. Since he is a right wing.One of the few Right Backs last season who dealt with Yamal pretty comfortably.
One of the few Right Backs last season who dealt with Yamal pretty comfortably.
Doku has been hung out to dry imo. He's a player that gets me off my seat, but clubs worked out his effectiveness could be negated by doubling/trebling up on him, as we contantly left him isolated.But thats like saying Doku is a 10 year investment...even though maybe hes not shown hes as good as we thought and maybe we overspent and in a year or 2, we might want to replace
Livramento hasn't shown the form you are talking about, you are assuming hes going to get there but real football, not FIFA etc. Isn't like that, progression isnt linear
£50mil to £80mil is a 60% increase on what we value him at, and given Newcastle stance on Isak who literally gone on strike I doubt they're budging much if they arent on Isak. If hes deemed too expensive then that's it.
The thought of Livramento up against Mbappe etc. Doesn't fill me with cconfidence either, nor does Livramento against a low block which 95% of the time we come up against as hes limited offensively
Livramento is much more a injury risk then Nunes, and id say Nunes is the better athlete in his pace and stamina, with a much better cross
I want Livramento, dont get me wrong, but calling the club out for now paying a ridiculous fee for a player can't be called penny pinching
And looking at his one particular signing as a lack of rebuild is just idiotic given how we've planned for the future and plug gaps i nthe squad with Cherki, Trafford, Reijnders, Ait Nouri, Marmoush, Khusanov, Nico, Reis etc.
We cant buy them all
And this is why a versatile full back specialist like Tino rotating with an improved Nunes makes 100% sense.Pep would fill the gap with Akanji, Stones, Lewis and Khusanov in all likelihood.
The best thing about Livramento is his ability to play both sides.
There’s another young international that could help fill our HG quota. Mainoo anyone?
Whilst not advocating for him, his 2 goals and 2 assists compare with Walker’s 8 goals and 36 assists throughout his entire career. What Walker brought was that he was very good at the thing that many people think is most important bit for a fullback.For £80m, that’s a huge sum for a full back, would you seriously not expect more than 2 goal contributions in 2 seasons playing in an attacking Newcastle side? That’s a pathetic return, one goal and one assist in two full seasons
The common theme throughout this thread with those who hope, no DEMAND we sign him, is that he's homegrown. HG status has well and truly trumped any ability he may/may not have, as well as the need for a shiny new toy.Is Livramento even that good? I’ve watched, at a guess, two dozen games where he’s played and never really noticed anything particularly great about him.
Didn’t think he was shite or owt but didn’t think he was anything more than steady, with a bit of pace.
And this is my point. We've have a huge defensive drop off without Stones, but the hard truth is that we can't rely on his fitness.Its amazing how many people underrated how much we missed John Stones last year.
The focus was on Rodri for obvious reasons but Stones was literally MOTM in the CL final even though Rodri got the winning goal.....
I dont think many opposition fans even realise this was a major issue for us and nearly as central as Rodri
It does, if he’s is good enough.And this is why a versatile full back specialist like Tino rotating with an improved Nunes makes 100% sense.
I think Tino will be absolutely fine. I just really don't want to enter the season with Nunes, Lewis, Stones & Akanji being our only RB optionsIt does, if he’s is good enough.
Livramento hasn’t shown that he is as of yet.
Been saying the same thing but others dont want to hear itAnd this is my point. We've have a huge defensive drop off without Stones, but the hard truth is that we can't rely on his fitness.
I'm gutted for the guy, but the reality is we have to face facts & act in City’s best interests.
If he could've maintained his fitness, he too would be up for a statue imo...Been saying the same thing but others dont want to hear it
absolutelyIf he could've maintained his fitness, he too would be up for a statue imo...
Kalvin Phillips works out at 3.8m a year over 10 years. So what?Mate, Tino would work out at most £8m per season over the next decade. Walker worked out at £5m per season over 9 years. That's how we have to look at Livramento.
As he stands, he's better than all the RB alternatives we have. He ticks so many boxes, that we'd be nuts to pass up this opportunity only to have to rely on Nunes, Lewis, Akanji & permacrock Stones.
We need to stop fuckin about & plug the most glaring hole in our arsenal.
Some you win, some you lose. You gotta be in it to win it...Kalvin Phillips works out at 3.8m a year over 10 years. So what?