I don't know why so many pretend he doesn't have pace. Both on the ball and recovery pace are top end.
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See! You are rewriting history now. The "We really need a backup for Rodri' cries was what led to the 50 million Kalvin Philips and later 50 million Nunes purchases.No, a realist just like when I said we'd be fucked without Rodri, unless we got someone to challenge, rest & rotate with him.
The replies I got?
1. No one's coming here if Rodri's here.
2. Stones "can do a job".
3. Gundog's back. He can "do a job"
4. Kovacic "can do a job".
5. Akanji "can do a job".
We lost Rodri. Our season collapsed. We won fuck all. We were nearly relegated from the CL.
Mate, it didn't take Einstein to figure out what the likely outcome would be.
Also, let's say we go forward with Nunes as our RB for the season & he gets injured. Why dya reckon "can do a job" instead?
In the end, neither achieved the hoped for goal. We got lucky coz Nunes looked good in a makeshift position but Kslvin has been an Albatross for years now
All the same characteristics you tout about Liveramento was touted about Phillips. He is a dedicated DM. Can do all the running. Give Rodri a breather. He is an English international. CL levels player. He'll be a 5 million a year investment and if he saves Rodri's leg it will be well worth it ... And on and on...
Then we bought him, he didn't make the grade and we got stuck.
Do not repeat the same mistake. Especially when we have 2 good players at the position in Lewis and Nunes.
Folks forget now that, Lewis was getting in ahead of one of England's best ever in Kyle Walker for some games 2 seasons ago. He too is an 'English International' seeing as that's what we are calling Livramento now with all of his 1 cap.
We do not have a weakness at Right back. We have underdeveloped talents. Let them develop.
I was on board with you regarding Rodri.No, a realist just like when I said we'd be fucked without Rodri, unless we got someone to challenge, rest & rotate with him.
The replies I got?
1. No one's coming here if Rodri's here.
2. Stones "can do a job".
3. Gundog's back. He can "do a job"
4. Kovacic "can do a job".
5. Akanji "can do a job".
We lost Rodri. Our season collapsed. We won fuck all. We were nearly relegated from the CL.
Mate, it didn't take Einstein to figure out what the likely outcome would be.
Also, let's say we go forward with Nunes as our RB for the season & he gets injured. Who dya reckon "can do a job" instead?
As for Nunes getting hurt I've been recently posting we need an RB AND a back who can possibly play on either side.
What I'm saying here is that we are short at the position but not necessarily because Nunes is not competent.
Dribble
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It's you rewriting history. Philips was the Fernandinho replacement to rotate with Rodri. It didn't work. He isn't the first flop & he won't be the last. Shit happens & I'm long since over it.See! You are rewriting history now. The "We really need a backup for Rodri' cries was what led to the 50 million Kalvin Philips and later 50 million Nunes purchases.
In the end, neither achieved the hoped for goal. We got lucky coz Nunes looked good in a makeshift position but Kslvin has been an Albatross for years now
All the same characteristics you tout about Liveramento was touted about Phillips. He is a dedicated DM. Can do all the running. Give Rodri a breather. He is an English international. CL levels player. He'll be a 5 million a year investment and if he saves Rodri's leg it will be well worth it ... And on and on...
Then we bought him, he didn't make the grade and we got stuck.
Do not repeat the same mistake. Especially when we have 2 good players at the position in Lewis and Nunes.
Folks forget now that, Lewis was getting in ahead of one of England's best ever in Kyle Walker for some games 2 seasons ago. He too is an 'English International' seeing as that's what we are calling Livramento now with all of his 1 cap.
We do not have a weakness at Right back. We have underdeveloped talents. Let them develop.
Nunes was a panic buy which perplexed most fans at the time, & he's a player Pep said didn't have the intelligence to play in his preferred position. Personally, I never rated him from his Sporting days & couldn't believe that we were interested him, let alone what we paid for him.
He wavered between being distinctly average to dire in central midfield for City, so in his rare outings Pep moved him wide left or right. He still wasn't much better. We tried him at RB & he was poor, but to his credit, he made the most of our desperate situation & improved enough where even I said he'd done enough to earn a reprieve. However, that doesn't mean I want to go through a whole season with just Nunes as our main RB option.
I rate Rico Lewis VERY highly. Yes, he came through the ranks as a specialist right back, but I think most now acknowledge that he's far better as a central midfielder. He & Nunes have essentially swapped positions.
Personally, I'd prefer a proper specialist RB. As stated how many times. After all things considered & as things stand, Tino seems the best option to me, but I'm not resolutely wedded to Tino & only Tino. I, like many others would feel far more comfortable if a player like Tino were brought in to compete, rotate & rest with Nunes.
I posted a video how we could possibly widen our search abroad for a foreign specialist RB, but that would be dependent on moving out several older foreign players.
Now we know where I stand, what's your idea regarding our RB situation & why?
Dribble
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Where did I say he wasn't competent? I said I didn't want us to go through the season with him as our main RB option, plus, perish the thought of him vs Mbappé or Vini Jnr. Nunes is learning on the job, & these small increments matter in the biggest games.I was on board with you regarding Rodri.
As for Nunes getting hurt I've been recently posting we need an RB AND a back who can possibly play on either side.
What I'm saying here is that we are short at the position but not necessarily because Nunes is not competent.
That's why I want a proper specialist RB to compete, rest & rotate with Nunes. If we do decide to go with him at RB for the season & he gets crocked, I think we both agree it'll make our season much much more tougher than it needs to be.
We've a month left to shift the players deemed surplus to requirements, & to fill the one gaping hole in our squad. Just like with Laporte & Rodri, you know as soon as the window closes, that's when a long-term injury will occur. We need to cover ourselves from now. "Can do a job" just won't do.
Judging by reports posted on here, Liverpool are doing their damned best to press home last season's squad advantage over us. Neither Arsenal or Chelsea are hanging about either. That's not to say City are, BUT we need to cover that crucial position before the window slams shut.
Stones and akanji can do a job at RB + Lewis. All players who will get destroyed on the wings. First one always injured, second one zero offensive threat and the last one no reason to mention him. We really let Arsenal and Liverpool surpass us with this thinking.No, a realist just like when I said we'd be fucked without Rodri, unless we got someone to challenge, rest & rotate with him.
The replies I got?
1. No one's coming here if Rodri's here.
2. Stones "can do a job".
3. Gundog's back. He can "do a job"
4. Kovacic "can do a job".
5. Akanji "can do a job".
We lost Rodri. Our season collapsed. We won fuck all. We were nearly relegated from the CL.
Mate, it didn't take Einstein to figure out what the likely outcome would be.
Also, let's say we go forward with Nunes as our RB for the season & he gets injured. Who dya reckon "can do a job" instead?
Wasn't that what i said. Someone to give Rodri a breather?It's you rewriting history. Philips was the Fernandinho replacement to rotate with Rodri. It didn't work. He isn't the first flop & he won't be the last. Shit happens & I'm long since over it.
You may be over it. But he is still a financial and decision burden on the club. And we didn't pay significantly over the odds for him.
The issue is not whether any player can flop. We all get that ans understand it. What's at issue is overpaying for a player and hoping for the best..
Nunes was a panic buy which perplexed most fans at the time, & he's a player Pep said didn't have the intelligence to play in his preferred position. Personally, I never rated him from his Sporting days & couldn't believe that we were interested him, let alone what we paid for him.
No, Nunes wasn't a panic buy. He was 3rd choice, sure. But not a panic buy.
He got very few opportunities at Central midfield and he was fantastic in the few opportunities as a winger. Produced more assists and attacking play than players playing more minutes and with greater fan support.He wavered between being distinctly average to dire in central midfield for City, so in his rare outings Pep moved him wide left or right. He still wasn't much better. We tried him at RB & he was poor, but to his credit, he made the most of our desperate situation & improved enough where even I said he'd done enough to earn a reprieve. However, that doesn't mean I want to go through a whole season with just Nunes as our main RB option.
Then he started vout slow at fullback, then grew into it as his confidence rose
We are not going through the whole season with juat Nunes as Right back. Rico Lewis is not chopped liver :)
No he isn't. His best games as a City player have come at RB. He is a Right back. Last season was just a poor season. For Everyone. Lewis is a fantastic inverted Right back. But a pretty capable traditional one too.I rate Rico Lewis VERY highly. Yes, he came through the ranks as a specialist right back, but I think most now acknowledge that he's far better as a central midfielder. He & Nunes have essentially swapped positions.
He is not a midfielder. He is a Rightbsck with the technical skills and intelligence of a midfielder. But he is a Right back.
1. I am confident in Rico and Nunes. I think they both fit well with the squad. Not the very best but as top team rotational players.Personally, I'd prefer a proper specialist RB. As stated how many times. After all things considered & as things stand, Tino seems the best option to me, but I'm not resolutely wedded to Tino & only Tino. I, like many others would feel far more comfortable if a player like Tino were brought in to compete, rotate & rest with Nunes.
I posted a video how we could possibly widen our search abroad for a foreign specialist RB, but that would be dependent on moving out several older foreign players.
Now we know where I stand, what's your idea regarding our RB situation & why?
Tino to me is on the same level as the above 2. He is no Hakimi. He wont be a difference maker this season. Just another solid option. And Rico has AA good of a chance as Tino of developing into world class.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone wants to pay 80 million for another solid option at Right back when we already have 2.solid options .That's wild to me.
Now if you wanna pay 80 mil to get Hakimi, finr.
Or 10 - 30 mill for another solid option with top class potential. Im all in. But 80 mil ? No. Just no.
Archie Gray is a far better fit for us in my view. You . Wanna spunk some money?. Fine! Go pay 45-55 million for Archie Gray. It would be excessive but at least his potential as a footballer is World Class.
We got 45 million for Palmer. Who was a far better prospect than Livra is. Let that sink in
That said, if pressed for an answer, I'd sell Ortega, Akanji and Gundogan (all options currently on the table) and open up an option for any young Right back anywhere. Including the likes of Fresneda, Arnau, Martim, Alberto Costa, Givairo,, Juanlu etc. All of whom have good potential.
There is a trailer load ot up and coming Right backs. None of whom will cost above 35 million. Talk less more than double that?
80 mil for Lives is just poor management. If he ever becomes the absolute best Right back in the league. He still wont cost a penny over 80 million.
Tp suggest we should pay 80 million for a player who isnt the clear #1 right back in the world is a joke to me.
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Lewis as good as Livramento is a crazy sentence. No one will say that. Lewis family gotta have some people at gunpoint can’t explain it differently. even the absolute bench players are as good as national team players or absolute PL or other league proven players. Guess we don’t need any new players.
There's no planet in the universe where Livramento is worth 80 mil. I'd say Savona at Juve is practically on the same plane and probably would cost 30 mil euro.Wasn't that what i said. Someone to give Rodri a breather?
You may be over it. But he is still a financial and decision burden on the club. And we didn't pay significantly over the odds for him.
The issue is not whether any player can flop. We all get that ans understand it. What's at issue is overpaying for a player and hoping for the best..
No, Nunes wasn't a panic buy. He was 3rd choice, sure. But not a panic buy.
He got very few opportunities at Central midfield and he was fantastic in the few opportunities as a winger. Produced more assists and attacking play than players playing more minutes and with greater fan support.
Then he started vout slow at fullback, then grew into it as his confidence rose
We are not going through the whole season with juat Nunes as Right back. Rico Lewis is not chopped liver :)
No he isn't. His best games as a City player have come at RB. He is a Right back. Last season was just a poor season. For Everyone. Lewis is a fantastic inverted Right back. But a pretty capable traditional one too.
He is not a midfielder. He is a Rightbsck with the technical skills and intelligence of a midfielder. But he is a Right back.
1. I am confident in Rico and Nunes. I think they both fit well with the squad. Not the very best but as top team rotational players.
Tino to me is on the same level as the above 2. He is no Hakimi. He wont be a difference maker this season. Just another solid option. And Rico has AA good of a chance as Tino of developing into world class.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone wants to pay 80 million for another solid option at Right back when we already have 2.solid options .That's wild to me.
Now if you wanna pay 80 mil to get Hakimi, finr.
Or 10 - 30 mill for another solid option with top class potential. Im all in. But 80 mil ? No. Just no.
Archie Gray is a far better fit for us in my view. You . Wanna spunk some money?. Fine! Go pay 45-55 million for Archie Gray. It would be excessive but at least his potential as a footballer is World Class.
We got 45 million for Palmer. Who was a far better prospect than Livra is. Let that sink in
That said, if pressed for an answer, I'd sell Ortega, Akanji and Gundogan (all options currently on the table) and open up an option for any young Right back anywhere. Including the likes of Fresneda, Arnau, Martim, Alberto Costa, Givairo,, Juanlu etc. All of whom have good potential.
There is a trailer load ot up and coming Right backs. None of whom will cost above 35 million. Talk less more than double that?
80 mil for Lives is just poor management. If he ever becomes the absolute best Right back in the league. He still wont cost a penny over 80 million.
Tp suggest we should pay 80 million for a player who isnt the clear #1 right back in the world is a joke to me.
Well when you mistate the sentence, sure. He has as good of a chance of developing into a fantastic full back as Tino does.Lewis as good as Livramento is a crazy sentence. No one will say that. Lewis family gotta have some people at gunpoint can’t explain it differently. even the absolute bench players are as good as national team players or absolute PL or other league proven players. Guess we don’t need any new players.
BringBackSwales
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Vini?But Nunes is still a midfielder not a full back. I would be disappointed if Khusanov wasn’t played at FB, if we don’t buy one. He had Vini in his pocket against Real. Vini said Khusanov would become the best defender in the PL. What more can you ask for?
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Munoz is a good player~ Daniel Munoz (CRY)
+ 11 clean sheets, 10 G + A (4 Goals 6 Assists) averaging a goal or assist every 3 games.
+ Kick the can down the road in the search for a suitable RB for a couple of seasons.
- 29 Years Old.
~ Antonee Robinson (FUL)
+ 10 assists, highest amongst all defenders.
- Tront Lite.
Prem experienced RB and gettable.
warpig
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I think most people thought £45m was a fair price at the time. the same wouldn’t have thought he would have kicked on like he has.Wasn't that what i said. Someone to give Rodri a breather?
You may be over it. But he is still a financial and decision burden on the club. And we didn't pay significantly over the odds for him.
The issue is not whether any player can flop. We all get that ans understand it. What's at issue is overpaying for a player and hoping for the best..
No, Nunes wasn't a panic buy. He was 3rd choice, sure. But not a panic buy.
He got very few opportunities at Central midfield and he was fantastic in the few opportunities as a winger. Produced more assists and attacking play than players playing more minutes and with greater fan support.
Then he started vout slow at fullback, then grew into it as his confidence rose
We are not going through the whole season with juat Nunes as Right back. Rico Lewis is not chopped liver :)
No he isn't. His best games as a City player have come at RB. He is a Right back. Last season was just a poor season. For Everyone. Lewis is a fantastic inverted Right back. But a pretty capable traditional one too.
He is not a midfielder. He is a Rightbsck with the technical skills and intelligence of a midfielder. But he is a Right back.
1. I am confident in Rico and Nunes. I think they both fit well with the squad. Not the very best but as top team rotational players.
Tino to me is on the same level as the above 2. He is no Hakimi. He wont be a difference maker this season. Just another solid option. And Rico has AA good of a chance as Tino of developing into world class.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone wants to pay 80 million for another solid option at Right back when we already have 2.solid options .That's wild to me.
Now if you wanna pay 80 mil to get Hakimi, finr.
Or 10 - 30 mill for another solid option with top class potential. Im all in. But 80 mil ? No. Just no.
Archie Gray is a far better fit for us in my view. You . Wanna spunk some money?. Fine! Go pay 45-55 million for Archie Gray. It would be excessive but at least his potential as a footballer is World Class.
We got 45 million for Palmer. Who was a far better prospect than Livra is. Let that sink in
That said, if pressed for an answer, I'd sell Ortega, Akanji and Gundogan (all options currently on the table) and open up an option for any young Right back anywhere. Including the likes of Fresneda, Arnau, Martim, Alberto Costa, Givairo,, Juanlu etc. All of whom have good potential.
There is a trailer load ot up and coming Right backs. None of whom will cost above 35 million. Talk less more than double that?
80 mil for Lives is just poor management. If he ever becomes the absolute best Right back in the league. He still wont cost a penny over 80 million.
Tp suggest we should pay 80 million for a player who isnt the clear #1 right back in the world is a joke to me.
Stoned Rose
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Cracking shout.~ Daniel Munoz (CRY)
+ 11 clean sheets, 10 G + A (4 Goals 6 Assists) averaging a goal or assist every 3 games.
+ Kick the can down the road in the search for a suitable RB for a couple of seasons.
- 29 Years Old.
~ Antonee Robinson (FUL)
+ 10 assists, highest amongst all defenders.
- Tront Lite.
Prem experienced RB and gettable.
Vinicius Junior of Real.Vini?
Right now they are levels apart and it’s not like Tino wasn’t a top talent when he emerged. Lewis just doesn’t have the same tools as Livramento. It starts from the body also the pace and also the fact that Livramento is defensively and also offensively better than Lewis.Well when you mistate the sentence, sure. He has as good of a chance of developing into a fantastic full back as Tino does.
Also personally I don’t see what other see in Lewis but each their own. Nunes is our only RB option in my opinion.
The moment he is out we are fucked once again.
Lewis is 2 years younger than Livramento with 5 England caps compared to Livramento's 1 cap.Right now they are levels apart and it’s not like Tino wasn’t a top talent when he emerged. Lewis just doesn’t have the same tools as Livramento. It starts from the body also the pace and also the fact that Livramento is defensively and also offensively better than Lewis.
Livramento may well turn out to be a brilliant RB but may be better off staying with Newcastle for another year at least.
We have Kabore who was named the Best Young Player of the tournament at the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations. Hasn't kicked on at all since then.
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Yes I know I meant why call him Vini which is a kind of affectionate Steve macmanamanaman name for him? It’s a bit like saying Trent or Rio for me, doesn’t feel right at allVinicius Junior of Real.
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True, but hes 29 so not really a realistic targetMunoz is a good player
No, a realist just like when I said we'd be fucked without Rodri, unless we got someone to challenge, rest & rotate with him.
The replies I got?
1. No one's coming here if Rodri's here.
2. Stones "can do a job".
3. Gundog's back. He can "do a job"
4. Kovacic "can do a job".
5. Akanji "can do a job".
We lost Rodri. Our season collapsed. We won fuck all. We were nearly relegated from the CL.
Mate, it didn't take Einstein to figure out what the likely outcome would be.
Also, let's say we go forward with Nunes as our RB for the season & he gets injured. Who dya reckon "can do a job" instead?
The issue wasnt losing Rodri though. It was losing Rodri, Ake, Walker, Stones, Dias, Akanji, Kev, Foden, Haaland......