Premier League Games | 15/16/17/18 August '25

[Ste1969]

Can somebody do a welfare check on @jimharri

 

[jimharri]

Useless scouse tw@s.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Moyes probably more interested in Jack's ability to win a free kick than anything else. Gives him the chance to hoof it into the box for a big man.

 

[CΛL]

7 minutes seems a lot, did the pen call take that long

 

[skillman]

A player has every right to attempt to block the shot, just not with the arm. It's a cornerstone rule of football.

He tucked his arm behind his back. He can’t tuck the part of his arm it hit behind him, it’s physically impossible.

Hence (presumably) the sleeve rule. If it hits the sleeve, no pen. Unless that’s changed. Which is a possibility.

 

[MCFC1993]

Didn’t he lean towards the direction of the ball?

Yes he definitely leaned into it but as long as the arm is tucked it that's got to be allowed.

The threshold for a penalty from a shot is supposed to be an unnatural arm position usually outstretched according to Howard Webb.

 

[southamptonblue]

I don't agree with the 'handball' rules.....but moving towards the ball to block it, wherever your arms are, and it hits your arm....100% nailed on penalty, not even a debate.
......I fucking hate Leeds.

 

[waspish]

Grealish have to remember now he is at Everton making a short pass to another player who is marked won’t mean he will control it pass it back more likely that he will get tackled and a counter attack! That just happened then..

 

[DMA's]

Everton are always such a dull watch.

You just know they will finish 13-15th and try and grind out the odd away victory here and there.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Didn’t he lean towards the direction of the ball?

If you ask me (and nobody is)… if you have your arms behind your back and it hits you above the elbow then it shouldn’t really matter what the fuck you’re doing. You could be leaning, diving, doing a twist. The standard for handball needs to be way way higher than just “it touched his arm”. He’s clearly not waving an arm at it which is what the spirit of the handball rule is about.

 

[johnny crossan]

Wasn’t that Jack Harrison?

could have been - hope so

 

[Fourinarow]

Can't believe people are saying no pen, it's an absolute stone waller for me, he's leant into the ball and it's hit his arm.

In a moment like that he's not just gonna stand there, he's got to attempt to defend and block the ball. He's gone into the position with his arms behind him as much as possible in an attempt to block it with his body and it's smacked his arm unintentionally.

 

[burning blue soul]

He tucked his arm behind his back. He can’t tuck the part of his arm it hit behind him, it’s physically impossible.

Hence (presumably) the sleeve rule. If it hits the sleeve, no pen. Unless that’s changed. Which is a possibility.

As a professional footballer he will have computed the risk/reward of leaning towards the ball to block the shot.
He was obviously looking to block with his torso, but got it wrong.
It happens. Defenders make judgement errors and concede penalties. That's what just happened.

 

[youngbob]

Not that I'm defending the diabolical level of officiating in this league, but just based on the fact that us lot in here can't agree on whether that's a stonewall penalty or a miscarriage of justice, you do have to wonder about how the laws of this game are worded and enforced

It's the problem with VAR summed up. It's in search of perfection it can't find. So many decisions in football are about judging intent, which you can't really prove one way or the other. Adding VAR into the equation doesn't prove the intent one way or the other, it just allows more people to look at indecipherable footage.

 

[CΛL]

Grealish wasted out there

 

[chesterbells]

Yes he definitely leaned into it but as long as the arm is tucked it that's got to be allowed.

The threshold for a penalty from a shot is supposed to be an unnatural arm position usually outstretched according to Howard Webb.

Fair enough, I wasn’t clear on the exact rule. Let’s see what the fall out is from this and if Webb comes out with a ‘clarification’ ;-)

 

[stan bowles]

If you ask me (and nobody is)… if you have your arms behind your back and it hits you above the elbow then it shouldn’t really matter what the fuck you’re doing. You could be leaning, diving, doing a twist. The standard for handball needs to be way way higher than just “it touched his arm”. He’s clearly not waving an arm at it which is what the spirit of the handball rule is about.

His arm wasn't "behind his back".

 

[heslops barnet]

Having seen all the games in part this weekend I would say that we look the best team so far, early days but promising

 

[mexico1970]

I properly hate handballs. They always ruin the game. The punishment is so disproportionate. Penalties for handball are just stupid. Leeds do not deserve to be winning this game.

Just give an indirect free kick or something unless it is 100% without doubt that it was clearly handball and clearly deliberate with intention ala Suarez clearing it off the line.

You give the tarquins one sniff of a way to gain an advantage and they will be doing volleyball training.

 

[stan bowles]

Grealish wasted out there

5 pints at half time, you mean ?