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[Hertzblue]

Crank!

Do you dispute that 20 Million figure ? Have you something else to offer ?

 

[LordG]

You may not agree with him but these threads perked up considerably when @Chippy_boy returned as did the quality which is much poorer without him.
In regard to normal and balanced, it is interesting that the output on here is so unreflective of the mood of the country. Todays YouGov poll is barely changed from last week and shows Right wing support in the shape of Reform or Torys at 46%. However in the 50-64 age group it is 47% and in the 65+ age group it is 61% , overall then in an age group of 50+ which I believe is most likely amongst posters on here , you might expect a bit over 50% to be on the right to be reflective of current voting intentions polling. I would say it is not much more than 20%.
Balanced it is not .

Exactly, they don’t seem to realise this on this forum, they seem to think it’s just a few over the age of 40 blokes protesting outside migrant hotels.

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you dispute that 20 Million figure ? Have you something else to offer ?

Well, if you mean every other estimate on the internet then yes. No one is projecting 20 million population growth in the UK by 2046. I would also point out that disputing ‘projections’ or ‘guesswork’ isn’t hard and you shouldn’t treat guesswork as gospel just because it suits your fevered imagination.

For example:

Chart of the week: UK population projections

The Office for National Statistics has updated its national population projections, lifting its expectations for 2025 by one million to just under 70 million people living in the UK and for 2050 by four million to 78 million.

www.icaew.com

 

[BTH]

Nigel Farage: Ukraine can’t win

Reform UK leader says prospect of a Ukrainian victory against Russia is ‘for the birds.’

www.politico.eu

He's quite the expert this fella, isn't he? You name it, he'll pontificate about it when, in reality, he's nothing more than a Putin shill.

 

[BobKowalski]

Are we still on that’s how the courts work and we should respect it or have we flipped to the law is an arse and people should protest decisions again?

It gets confusing on here with the flip flop attitudes at times ;-)

Firstly, you are confusing a ruling in a civil court and verdicts arrived at by a jury in a criminal court.

Secondly, yes this is exactly how the system works.

Thirdly, I can disagree with a law passed by the executive/legislative branch of Government. I can disagree with or find a verdict arrived at by a jury surprising, but I don’t start spouting nonsense about a jury trial being ‘rigged’ or comparing our jury system to the Jim Crow era in the US. To do this would be make me either dishonest or a moron or @Hertzblue

 

[Chippy_boy]

What an embarrassing lip.

:-)

 

[Vic]

Are we still on that’s how the courts work and we should respect it or have we flipped to the law is an arse and people should protest decisions again?

It gets confusing on here with the flip flop attitudes at times ;-)

I think I can say (without seeing all the judge's reason for the decision) that he's just given licence to racist thugs * to protest at asylum hotels where there's been no trouble before. And if the BBC report was right, the number of hotels used for asylum was already down from 400 to 200.

* Farage has apparently already said this would be an "inspiration" to others.

 

[Vic]

You may not agree with him but these threads perked up considerably when @Chippy_boy returned as did the quality which is much poorer without him.
In regard to normal and balanced, it is interesting that the output on here is so unreflective of the mood of the country. Todays YouGov poll is barely changed from last week and shows Right wing support in the shape of Reform or Torys at 46%. However in the 50-64 age group it is 47% and in the 65+ age group it is 61% , overall then in an age group of 50+ which I believe is most likely amongst posters on here , you might expect a bit over 50% to be on the right to be reflective of current voting intentions polling. I would say it is not much more than 20%.
Balanced it is not .

Yeah, but we're City FOCs, not your usual FOCs.

 

[Vic]

I had to check who controlled that council. I was surprised when it turned out to be Tory.

And they're already blaming Labour for the Tory policy on using hotels...

 

[TinFoilHat]

And they're already blaming Labour for the Tory policy on using hotels...

They rely on the goldfish memory of the electorate

 

[Vic]

They rely on the goldfish memory of the electorate

To be fair, the Tory in Epping said they'd told the previous Tory government not to do it (but they hadn't taken the Tory government to court).

 

[Hertzblue]

Well, if you mean every other estimate on the internet then yes. No one is projecting 20 million population growth in the UK by 2046. I would also point out that disputing ‘projections’ or ‘guesswork’ isn’t hard and you shouldn’t treat guesswork as gospel just because it suits your fevered imagination.

For example:

Chart of the week: UK population projections

The Office for National Statistics has updated its national population projections, lifting its expectations for 2025 by one million to just under 70 million people living in the UK and for 2050 by four million to 78 million.

www.icaew.com

Even by your own standards Bob, that is shameless.
You have posted a population projection . As you well know that is not what we were talking about.

The additional 20 million by 2046 is the number ( calculated by OBR economist David Miles ) required to maintain the demographics of the immigration Ponzi scheme you have endlessly promoted ,because " the economy gets what the economy needs" in your words, it is not a projection.

As Mr Miles says, like I and others have repeatedly told you, it is unsustainable, of course it cannot and will not happen, that is why the projection you have posted says something different, that is no surprise to anyone with any common sense. The lunacy you have promoted never had a number on it , now it has.

Now that your Ponzi scheme has been exposed I can only presume your post is a desperate attempt to lift yourself out of the enormous hole you have invested so much time digging for yourself rather than hold your hand up to the complete bollocks you have subjected us all to on the economics of migration

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[BobKowalski]

Even by your own standards Bob, that is shameless.
You have posted a population projection . As you well know that is not what we were talking about.

The additional 20 million by 2046 is the number ( calculated by OBR economist David Miles ) required to maintain the demographics of the immigration Ponzi scheme you have endlessly promoted ,because " the economy gets what the economy needs" in your words, it is not a projection.

As Mr Miles says, like I and others have repeatedly told you, it is unsustainable, of course it cannot and will not happen, that is why the projection you have posted says something different, that is no surprise to anyone with any common sense. The lunacy you have promoted never had a number on it , now it has.

Now that your Ponzi scheme has been exposed I can only presume your post is a desperate attempt to lift yourself out of the enormous hole you have invested so much time digging for yourself rather than hold your hand up to the complete bollocks you have subjected us all to on the economics of migration

Your figures are a projection. Just as the ONS figures are a projection and everyone else’s figures are a projection based on assumptions about (falling) fertility rates, net immigration levels and demographic trends.

The economy dictates how much labour it needs and domestic shortfall is made up with immigration. That is how our and other economies work. That’s our current reality. Whether that continues with technological advances and AI etc who knows - I outlined some thoughts on this in the Immigration thread - but, if it’s 1 million or 10 million or 20 million growth in population by 2050 then so be it.

In short. Not arsed.

 

[BlueAnorak]

But for some sensible choices this could have been representing us in the WH yesterday

What a load of bollox.
The only terms Putin really wants is the complete capitulation of Ukraine.

 

[hampshireblue]

You may not agree with him but these threads perked up considerably when @Chippy_boy returned as did the quality which is much poorer without him.
In regard to normal and balanced, it is interesting that the output on here is so unreflective of the mood of the country. Todays YouGov poll is barely changed from last week and shows Right wing support in the shape of Reform or Torys at 46%. However in the 50-64 age group it is 47% and in the 65+ age group it is 61% , overall then in an age group of 50+ which I believe is most likely amongst posters on here , you might expect a bit over 50% to be on the right to be reflective of current voting intentions polling. I would say it is not much more than 20%.
Balanced it is not .

Your'e right that the number of posts certainly increased when he returned. I stopped taking him seriously when he said things one week (that he had not benefitted from free university education amongst others) and then stated a week later that he had a good degree and is 64 years old. He either lied or was a very mature student to have been subjected to a student loan. He declined to answer when asked and blocked me for the challenge.

If posters are on "the right", I would expect them to be in the Reform and Tory threads expousing how wonderful their respective parties and policies are are. As it is, it's easier for you, them, to criticise whilst rarely offering anything remotely constructive.

On your figures above, the 50-64 group have a 53% tendancy not to be right wing. The older group have tradtionally voted to the right. so no change there.

 

[Vic]

Even by your own standards Bob, that is shameless.
You have posted a population projection . As you well know that is not what we were talking about.

The additional 20 million by 2046 is the number ( calculated by OBR economist David Miles ) required to maintain the demographics of the immigration Ponzi scheme you have endlessly promoted ,because " the economy gets what the economy needs" in your words, it is not a projection.

As Mr Miles says, like I and others have repeatedly told you, it is unsustainable, of course it cannot and will not happen, that is why the projection you have posted says something different, that is no surprise to anyone with any common sense. The lunacy you have promoted never had a number on it , now it has.

Now that your Ponzi scheme has been exposed I can only presume your post is a desperate attempt to lift yourself out of the enormous hole you have invested so much time digging for yourself rather than hold your hand up to the complete bollocks you have subjected us all to on the economics of migration

Your figures are a projection. Just as the ONS figures are a projection and everyone else’s figures are a projection based on assumptions about (falling) fertility rates, net immigration levels and demographic trends.

The economy dictates how much labour it needs and domestic shortfall is made up with immigration. That is how our and other economies work. That’s our current reality. Whether that continues with technological advances and AI etc who knows - I outlined some thoughts on this in the Immigration thread - but, if it’s 1 million or 10 million or 20 million growth in population by 2050 then so be it.

In short. Not arsed.

Not a projection but I had a recent good conversation canvassing with an elderly guy (older than me!) - let's call him a "concerned citizen" - about levels of immigration. It was all very reasonable but he suddenly said the UK has had 47 million immigrants. It was an amicable parting, or as amicable as one can be faced with such nonsense.

 

[Metal Biker]

But for some sensible choices this could have been representing us in the WH yesterday

You...support the opinion Zelensky is a 'Dictator' just so you can shit on BoJo?

It's a weird take, not gonna lie.

 

[Vic]

I know it was a price to pay for avoiding Trump's tariffs on cars but more unintended consequences.

Farmers to be hit by imminent closure of Vivergo ethanol plant - Farmers Weekly

Associated British Foods’ (ABF) decision to close its bioethanol plant in Hull is “a huge blow” that will adversely impact the whole supply chain,

www.fwi.co.uk

 

[inbetween]

Your figures are a projection. Just as the ONS figures are a projection and everyone else’s figures are a projection based on assumptions about (falling) fertility rates, net immigration levels and demographic trends.

The economy dictates how much labour it needs and domestic shortfall is made up with immigration. That is how our and other economies work. That’s our current reality. Whether that continues with technological advances and AI etc who knows - I outlined some thoughts on this in the Immigration thread - but, if it’s 1 million or 10 million or 20 million growth in population by 2050 then so be it.

In short. Not arsed.

There are greater conversations to be had on the 'economy' and sustainability because can the world and its natural ecosystem even sustain further growth and certainly population growth?

Every single scientific report and statistic available on issues such as resource availability, climate change and biodiversity suggests not. And meanwhile we're moaning that we haven't built the million houses needed to sustain a growing population that today isn't even growing the economy anyway. It's completely barmy.

Your idea that you aren't arsed about a population increase of the order of tens of millions ignores the fact that this is a death sentence for this ecosystem. And then there are people like Miliband who think that we can build a few wind turbines and it will all be fine...