Brighton & Hove Albion (A) | Post Match Thread

[thebiglug]

Give Bielsa the money Pep has been given and then judge their achievements.

Why haven't top champions league clubs got him in if he's this wizard of a coach?


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[David White]

Im sorry mate, but its incredible bollocks, but on the other hand i do not want to put you on ignore straightforward, so thats me being nice;)

"Its not just 3 games, we have ambled through last 2 seasons";D - we been a PL champions, fourth time in a row the 2023/2024 season with 91 points, we lost to Real Madrid in UCL on penalties while absolutely dominating them.

Last season does not recall for You any special circumstances? Like Rodri injury whole season? Like Stones, Ake almost permanent injuries? Bobb? Like Walker's escape? Like rather short, but regular injuries that prevent the chance for Grealish, Akanji, Dias, KDB to achieve best and stable form? Like Foden's form non existence runs maybe a little deeper than on pitch form, coaching, preparations?

Problem is not the style of play. Its just about the rebuild thats ongoing. Have you noticed that we changed like over half the squad last 9 months?

"He isn’t enjoying it, the players aren’t enjoying it and most importantly, the supporters aren’t enjoying it";D - players does not enjoy when they loosing. Crazy staff. Yet, from what i have seen, everybody want to fight to be better and win games: Pep, players, surely some supporters I believe. Why are you using the plural form, what do the fans think? Don’t you have your own, individual stance? Fans are different, very different, which you can easily notice, for example, by comparing your text and my text. They’re a bit different, aren’t they?

"He has to change it or he has to hold his hands up and say he doesn’t know how to or that he’s had enough" - Don’t you ever ask yourself whether there might be experts in a given field who know something better than I do? Because right now you’re telling Pep Guardiola that he needs to change his system. Ergo: you know better. Isn’t there some string in your mind that hums with a sense of falseness?

Feel free to put me on ignore, I’ll lose no sleep over that. You may have done so already. I agree, it’s all about opinions.

I’d argue that pep’s systems have made great players even better as a collective, so why can’t he alter or employ a system that works for what he has at his disposal? Injuries obviously play a part, but they all train the same way, so I’d expect professional coaches to see who can do what and at least make us harder to beat.

Do you not see that other coaches have worked out how we play, but we keep doing the same thing? They know exactly what to do to force us into errors, into panic mode and into conceding goals. Winning the league in 2024 was unbelievable, especially after what had gone before it and looking at how we were playing. Yeah we were great against Madrid but that wasn’t representative of how we we’re playing at the time despite results going in our favour.

I can honestly say that I don’t think he is happy. Look at him. He looks stressed out of his mind. The players look bored. I know a lot of supporters that aren’t enjoying the style of play at the moment. I’ll still go every week though.

Thanks for sharing your opinion to my incredible bollocks. I’ll sleep better now for hearing it.

 

[IronsideKozuch]

Feel free to put me on ignore, I’ll lose no sleep over that. You may have done so already. I agree, it’s all about opinions.

I’d argue that pep’s systems have made great players even better as a collective, so why can’t he alter or employ a system that works for what he has at his disposal? Injuries obviously play a part, but they all train the same way, so I’d expect professional coaches to see who can do what and at least make us harder to beat.

Do you not see that other coaches have worked out how we play, but we keep doing the same thing? They know exactly what to do to force us into errors, into panic mode and into conceding goals. Winning the league in 2024 was unbelievable, especially after what had gone before it and looking at how we were playing. Yeah we were great against Madrid but that wasn’t representative of how we we’re playing at the time despite results going in our favour.

I can honestly say that I don’t think he is happy. Look at him. He looks stressed out of his mind. The players look bored. I know a lot of supporters that aren’t enjoying the style of play at the moment. I’ll still go every week though.

Thanks for sharing your opinion to my incredible bollocks. I’ll sleep better now for hearing it.

You think the system is bad and that we should change it, at least temporarily for individual matches, especially since the opposition has figured it out. That’s not the case. Pep constantly makes small adjustments, but he never makes a fundamental change. Pep’s system is the best for possession and dominating possession. If you have the right players, you have a chance to be the best in the world in the long run. In fact, we really were like that not only in the treble season, but also in several other seasons; it’s just that due to very unlucky circumstances we didn’t win the UCL (the famous two-legged tie against Real in 2021/2022, where we were even twice as good as in 2023/2024, when we went out on penalties).

You don’t build a possession-based system in a month—it’s built over years. Before Pep came, Txiki and Ferran were laying the foundations, the training system, etc. You can’t just temporarily change the system for a while, because that destroys the long-term plan.

Relax. We’re only three games in. Tottenham used to beat even prime City on the counter. For 60 minutes against Brighton, we played brilliantly. Brighton practically didn’t create any danger, and Haaland alone had like 3 good to very good chances to score more. That’s incredible, because Brighton are a solid team with few top players, and they were playing at home. As Pep said, from the 60th minute we stopped playing our game. Probably because we’re not physically ready yet. We started late, Pep called the games before the international break are basically preseason. Over time, the differences should balance out. If you’re not at 100% physically at the top level in the PL, you lose more duels because you don’t have the strength for them, you’re less accurate with passes or shots because you lack strength, and so on.

 

[shemnel]

For 60 minutes against Brighton, we played brilliantly. Brighton practically didn’t create any danger, and Haaland alone had like 3 good to very good chances to score more. That’s incredible, because Brighton are a solid team with few top players, and they were playing at home. As Pep said, from the 60th minute we stopped playing our game. Probably because we’re not physically ready yet. We started late, Pep called the games before the international break are basically preseason. Over time, the differences should balance out. If you’re not at 100% physically at the top level in the PL, you lose more duels because you don’t have the strength for them, you’re less accurate with passes or shots because you lack strength, and so on.

Apart from toning down 'brilliantly' to 'well', i would have to agree with this. I thought City were decent up to about 55mins, and the first especially. You could tell they were undertaking a new system but without the confidence to do it with verve or panache. And even then we dominated a decent side at home and should have been minimum 2 up. I saw promise in that, but of course no-one wants to see the old collapse routine.

 

[Eaststander1]

Let's see where we are in 3 months. Nothing is lost yet.

Two matches out of three have been!

 

[Father Paul]

Im sorry mate, but its incredible bollocks, but on the other hand i do not want to put you on ignore straightforward, so thats me being nice;)

"Its not just 3 games, we have ambled through last 2 seasons";D - we been a PL champions, fourth time in a row the 2023/2024 season with 91 points, we lost to Real Madrid in UCL on penalties while absolutely dominating them.

Last season does not recall for You any special circumstances? Like Rodri injury whole season? Like Stones, Ake almost permanent injuries? Bobb? Like Walker's escape? Like rather short, but regular injuries that prevent the chance for Grealish, Akanji, Dias, KDB to achieve best and stable form? Like Foden's form non existence runs maybe a little deeper than on pitch form, coaching, preparations?

Problem is not the style of play. Its just about the rebuild thats ongoing. Have you noticed that we changed like over half the squad last 9 months?

"He isn’t enjoying it, the players aren’t enjoying it and most importantly, the supporters aren’t enjoying it";D - players does not enjoy when they loosing. Crazy staff. Yet, from what i have seen, everybody want to fight to be better and win games: Pep, players, surely some supporters I believe. Why are you using the plural form, what do the fans think? Don’t you have your own, individual stance? Fans are different, very different, which you can easily notice, for example, by comparing your text and my text. They’re a bit different, aren’t they?

"He has to change it or he has to hold his hands up and say he doesn’t know how to or that he’s had enough" - Don’t you ever ask yourself whether there might be experts in a given field who know something better than I do? Because right now you’re telling Pep Guardiola that he needs to change his system. Ergo: you know better. Isn’t there some string in your mind that hums with a sense of falseness?

The question a lot of people have is not the necessity of the rebuild but the quality of the players brought in. A lot of people suspect they are Europa League level not CL level and potential domestic champions. Pep is being asked to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!

 

[Father Paul]

Apart from toning down 'brilliantly' to 'well', i would have to agree with this. I thought City were decent up to about 55mins, and the first especially. You could tell they were undertaking a new system but without the confidence to do it with verve or panache. And even then we dominated a decent side at home and should have been minimum 2 up. I saw promise in that, but of course no-one wants to see the old collapse routine.

It was very similar to the same fixture last season. That has to be a concern.

 

[Father Paul]

Two matches out of three have been!

I never expected us to seriously challenge for the league this season that appears to have been confirmed. We have work to do to secure a top 4 spot but I do expect a stronger finish to the season which should be enough.

 

[shemnel]

It was very similar to the same fixture last season. That has to be a concern.

I live in hope that week by week it'll be fine tuned. No point getting worried. I'm not being head in sand, i just think that things are being addressed and that the system fundamentally works, if the players are correct and following it. (i know there's a few caveats in there!). I can see another fullback being bought in January.

 

[steviemc]

Well considering one side in prem history has won the league after losing two of their first three games I would say a title challenge is lost already.

If we overcome these next few fixtures it should put us in a good position for a top 4 finish but failing to win would see top 4 being a big ask then too. Not lost but giving ourselves a mountain to climb.

That stat doesn't mean a great deal. More than 5 games lost (though occasionally 6) throughout a season is usually enough to ensure that you won't be winning the title. However, the part of the season when a team loses games is irrelevant. e.g. In the 22/23 season Arsenal had only dropped 3 points after 10 games and ended up finishing 2nd. In the 2018/19 season Liverpool only dropped 4 points after 10 games and finished 2nd. In the 23/24 season Spurs only dropped 4 points after 10 games and finished 5th. The aformentioned teams all started well but dropped points either in the middle or in the latter stages which effectively ended their title challenges.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

That stat doesn't mean a great deal. More than 5 games lost (though occasionally 6) throughout a season is usually enough to ensure that you won't be winning the title. However, the part of the season when a team loses games is irrelevant. e.g. In the 22/23 season Arsenal had only dropped 3 points after 10 games and ended up finishing 2nd. In the 2018/19 season Liverpool only dropped 4 points after 10 games and finished 2nd. In the 23/24 season Spurs only dropped 4 points after 10 games and finished 5th. The aformentioned teams all started well but dropped points either in the middle or in the latter stages which effectively ended their title challenges.

Well it isn't. One team in history have done it. If you think that is irrelevant or not doesn't matter. It is the fact of the matter.

Considering we will lose at Liverpool and Arsenal as a minimum there is your 4 of your 5 defeats anyway :)

 

[IBlue]

Give Bielsa the money Pep has been given and then judge their achievements.

That fact nobody has given Bielsa the money speaks volumes