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I' m not sure what Starmer is up to. If he thought appointing Lammy as Deputy PM was a good idea he is more out of touch than I realised. Should have appointed Streeting
 
The only difference is the Tory ones used their political position to rob the country.

Rayner was just punting at being untouchable, her's is the sort of thing a member of the public would have tried on.

They're all crooks & cocks though.
Yep.

Most (not all) politicians go into politics because they are bossy, busy bastards who think they know more than us and think they are better than us.


Reyner is just another example , no better, no worse than any crooked tory fucker.

Im gutted really because she shouldve been so different. But alas, she isnt
 
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
The question not asked yet, is what value was used to determine the amount the trust paid to acquire the 25% stake in the Ashton house. If it was the open market value for a 25% share in a house, fair enough. If it was any more than that, then whichever way it is dressed up, money has been taken out of the trust, to contribute to a £800k flat purchase down South, made by someone who is not a beneficiary of that trust. I suspect that by the time the Sunday papers come out, this might be the question.
 
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
I even showed you the text from HMRC but still you dig your heels in. Bizarre.

Where a dwelling is owned by another person subject to a trust which gives an individual a right to occupy the dwelling for life... that individual is treated as owning the interest

So your suggesting she has no right to visit the property she will be visiting every week. Fucking priceless mate, priceless.

Anyway this is not a hill I wish to die on. If you want to continue to make yourself look silly, carry on by all means. I'm out.
 
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Yep.

Most (not all) politicians go into politics because they are bossy, busy bastards who think they know more than us and think they are better than us.


Reyner is just another example , no better, no worse than any crooked tory fucker.

Im gutted really because she shouldve been so different. But alas, she isnt
Unfortunately you are right they are all the same self serving career politicians who are in it for themselves and not the electorate. Which ever party they are in.
 
You forgot that after Jenrick acted unlawfully on rushing the Desmond deal, Desmond gave a donation to the Tory Party.

If I was as suspicious as @Chippy_boy I'd say that had been agreed beforehand.
Jenrick??? I had no idea she was involved with Ange's property deal. How interesting.
 
the 3 most divisive unpopular labour ministers who will be greet PR for these right wing agitators propoganda war are coopr, lammy and reeves

so keep one and promote the others, Starmer is playing all the wrong cards again, the daft twat
 
She doesn't need to claim beneficial interest, she may be deemed to have it. According to tax guidelines anyone with lifelong access to the property is deemed to have a beneficial interest.

Anyway, you said and I quote: "If he was over 18 she categorically would not have been in any trouble."

That statement is absolutely incorrect. "if he was over 18 she MAY NOT have been in any trouble" would be accurate.

It depends upon whether the HMRC determined that you have a beneficial interest in the property, and I suggest that someone declaring that (a) it is her main residence and (b) that she will be living there - even temporarily - to look after her son - would stuggle to get away with it.

SDLTM09815 - SDLT - higher rates for additional dwellings: interests treated as owned by an individual, trusts, children [including children subject to the Mental Health Acts]​

Trusts

Where a dwelling is owned by another person subject to a trust which gives an individual a right to occupy the dwelling for life or the right to the income earned in respect of the dwelling, that individual is treated as owning the interest.


But either way, the reality is more nuanced than you seem willing to accept.
You didn't know any of these rules when you started accusing Rayner.

And in the bit in italics the individual is the beneficiary of the trust, not a trustee. It's the next bit that Rayner got wrong.
 
Hahahahaha. And still he tries to defend her. BRILLIANT! Watching the shit show that is Labour and it's loony supporters scambling around like headless chickens, has genuinely made my weekend. No, my year. It's BRILLIANT.
People who are ‘into’ politics are an odd bunch.
I can never get my head round how they have a party and its their party for life! Weird
 
I even showed you the text from HMRC but still you dig your heels in. Bizarre.

Where a dwelling is owned by another person subject to a trust which gives an individual a right to occupy the dwelling for life... that individual is treated as owning the interest

So your suggesting she has no right to visit the property she will be visiting every week. Fucking priceless mate, priceless.

Anyway this is not a hill I wish to die on. If you want to continue to make yourself look silly, carry on by all means. I'm out.

Ok I’m now wondering why are you commenting on this topic? As you clearly don’t even have a grasp of the most basic things around it. There is not a trust for her, it’s for her son ffs!

She doesn’t need a right to visit the property or even live there most of the time if she chooses, it’s her sons, why would she?! She also quite obviously wouldn’t want to have that as having a beneficial interest in the house would completely negate the point to putting it into trust in the first place.

You’re completely misunderstanding all of it.
 
I'm not battering my eyelids.....sounds painful.

One in Greater Manchester.....Brighton? Why that far away from her constituency?

It's all very confusing and doesn't look good for us who voted for her especially now Ashton is going from bad to worse.
Some of this is just obvious. You can't go back to a distant constituency every night from London. (Though Farage commuting from the US seems unremarkable.)
 
That's the joke of the whole thing. She hasn't. She's said her primary residence remains in Ashton, and I imagine she'll be there most weeks! If that isn't enough to convince people she was trying to fiddle her stamp duty, I have no idea what will.
Half her critics are moaning because she doesn't live in the constituency and the other half are moaning that she does.
 
Some of this is just obvious. You can't go back to a distant constituency every night from London. (Though Farage commuting from the US seems unremarkable.)
Thats why they all have a gaff in london yeah? They get an allowance to rent a house in london

when was she planning in spending time in her constituency? To spend time with the very people who voted her in?
If shes not in london, is She in brighton? Or ashton?

Your defence of her is a little creepy
 
Good point. So she lied to the HoC about Ashton being her primary residence then. Thanks for pointing that out.
Stop it. Most MPs are in the constituency four nights out of seven and all when Parliament isn't in session.

You've lost reason because of your hate.
 

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