The Labour Government

[BobKowalski]

Any decision which leads to you having to stand up in the House of Commons and defend someone who knowingly associated and socialised with a convicted paedophile clearly isn’t a good one.

People can come up with as much realpolitik nonsense as they like, but choosing to link your government with a convicted nonce isn’t a smart move for any PM, let alone one under as much pressure as Starmer is.

The fact that Starmer is still claiming that the correct checks and balances were conducted before Mandelson’s appointment, even after the latest revelations, just demonstrates how badly he’s played this.

I didn’t realise you were so anti-Trump. Quite refreshing to hear you call him out. Well done.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Mandelson withdrawn as ambassador.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Mandy's gone.

Tara, Yum Yum.

 

[hilts]

Child sex offences? Yeah but you know we needed to keep the orange one onside like, the morality of the centrists and some of their supporters on here.

It's becoming quite a list this collateral damage.

The old
The disabled
Kids in gaza
Nonces
Tax evasion
People dying befoe they get there post office money
Shit in the water

I've very likely missed a few

It's the price you pay for low growth and high inflation:-) result.

It's impossible to expect more from Starmer, Johnson or Truss they say. Stop your moaning.

Fucking hell talk about losing any moral argument on here ever again. Well played chaps you're the same as a lot of reform voters turning a blind eye and trying to disguise what a lot of you really are.

Stay strong you could upgrade to the A6 with the sports package next year.

 

[hilts]

More than likely. Sacking our Ambassador for being way too pally with Epstein on the eve of a visit from a President who was way too pally with Epstein isn't great optics :)

Thank god you're not in charge then eh?

Doh!


But the orange one is coming.

 

[hilts]

So you don't think Epstein's buddy Mandelson was a good appointment on the basis of having a good relationship with Epstein's buddy Trump ?

So you think giving a job to a 'close friend' of a sex abuser and paying him with our money is a good thing?

You don't have any lines? None at all?

 

[Brewster's millions]

I didn’t realise you were so anti-Trump. Quite refreshing to hear you call him out. Well done.

Pretty desperate stuff. Pure deflection from your terrible take on the situation.

Anyway, the good news is that Mandelson has (inevitably) gone, so you can stop making a tit out yourself now. Until the next thing comes up anyway.

 

[johnny crossan]

Mandy won't be flying anywhere as our US Ambassador anymore.

 

[mosssideblue]

So you don't think Epstein's buddy Mandelson was a good appointment on the basis of having a good relationship with Epstein's buddy Trump ?

Come on mate, you must surely know this appointment was poor, made worse by the PM continuing to back him knowing what has come to light.

Starmer isn’t having good publicity atm and he has thrown petrol on himself over this

 

[mosssideblue]

Mandy won't be flying anywhere as our US Ambasador anymore.

Good

 

[mackenzie]

His letters to Epstein are creepy. Almost as if he was in love with him.

 

[BobKowalski]

Pretty desperate stuff. Pure deflection from your terrible take on the situation.

Anyway, the good news is that Mandelson has (inevitably) gone, so you can stop making a tit out yourself now. Until the next thing comes up anyway.

I thought it was rather amusing, and I did note you avoided the comparison between the ‘two friends of Epstein’. If Mandelson is unacceptable than so is Trump and for precisely the same reasons you gave.

Tricky business riding two horses that pull you in different directions.

 

[mancityvstoke]

All pigs in the big tax payers money trough

 

[Brewster's millions]

I thought it was rather amusing, and I did note you avoided the comparison between the ‘two friends of Epstein’. If Mandelson is unacceptable than so is Trump and for precisely the same reasons you gave.

Tricky business riding two horses that pull you in different directions.

Would be true and perhaps amusing if indeed I did spend time on here defending or even supporting Trump. So I suppose it’s a bit of a shame that I don’t.

It’s just another thing you’ve got wrong. Probably not as wrong as you were about Mandelson, but still wrong nonetheless.

 

[BobKowalski]

Would be true and perhaps amusing if indeed I did spend time on here defending or even supporting Trump. So I suppose it’s a bit of a shame that I don’t.

It’s just another thing you’ve got wrong. Probably not as wrong as you were about Mandelson, but still wrong nonetheless.

So you agree that in light of the recent Epstein revelations we cannot entertain Trump on a State visit then?

 

[Lowtower]

Mandy won't be flying anywhere as our US Ambassador anymore.

Yum yum

 

[hampshireblue]

Pretty desperate stuff. Pure deflection from your terrible take on the situation.

Anyway, the good news is that Mandelson has (inevitably) gone, so you can stop making a tit out yourself now. Until the next thing comes up anyway.

Let's face it, anyone who has a different view to you has a "terrible take" on issues.

 

[hilts]

Pretty desperate stuff. Pure deflection from your terrible take on the situation.

Anyway, the good news is that Mandelson has (inevitably) gone, so you can stop making a tit out yourself now. Until the next thing comes up anyway.

I'm sure he will be back on in a minute saying Starmer has made a mistake sacking him now:-)

 

[Brewster's millions]

So you agree that in light of the recent Epstein revelations we cannot entertain Trump on a State visit then?

This is where your Realpolitik argument comes in, and where it does have some genuine merit.

We have to deal with Trump, we can’t get away from that, so maintaining relations and trying to keep him onside is unavoidable. You could argue that a state visit is inappropriate, but it could be effective as it plays to his obvious vanity. So I’m indifferent on the visit; I can see both arguments.

With Mandelson, Starmer chose to appoint someone who had known close links with a convicted paedophile - many other suitable candidates were available, even people who didn’t regard Epstein as their best friend - and Starmer made a bad decision worse by continuing to defend it.

It was entirely self-inflicted, which is why your argument about Mandelson was wrong, and indeed why you’re wrong to attempt to link the Mandelson fiasco with the much more difficult decisions the government has to make with regards to Trump.

 

[johnny crossan]

A surprisingly warm tribute to Mandy by Adam Boulton on Sky just now, 'only politician who never lied to me'. Always had 'a taste for luxury' which proved his downfall. BBC in contrast recycling clips of their previous interviews about Epstein which they claim resulted in him freezing them out for several months.