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M18CTID said:
No it doesn’t but if people think it’s imminent why aren’t they lumping on at such great odds?

I think he’s much shorter odds to step down next year rather than this year
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Is it because they don’t gamble?
 
I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
When was the last time a government was elected on a manifesto where they promised to increase immigration?

The electorate have sent a clear message in that they want immigration reduced. Every Tory and Labour manifesto says they will do so.

Not only have they not reduced immigration, they’ve increased it. Figure of 1m, 700k net migration are grotesque and fundamentally change the country long term.

Do you think we might want to start reducing immigration numbers to subdue the far right? deliver what they were elected to do for once?
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But migration has fallen recently so what is the problem, zero immigration is not possible because we need it so what numbers would people find acceptable? They just want to eliminate cultures and not numbers. None of them for example were bothered about the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that we have taken.

If it's just about the numbers then which bit of migration do they want to reduce specifically? 400k of 1m are students, 300k come to work and contribute. The small boat arrivals are worth less than 10% of the total.

Robinson's lot aren't Reform supporters because they will do nothing except maybe deport asylum seekers. Robinson's lot want to deport anybody who doesn't look like them and that could include British people born here. It's Nazism 101.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.
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I seem to recall you were a big advocate of the Rwanda scheme where we gave them £700m and they accepted a total of 4 asylum seekers who went voluntarily before it was cancelled. Even if we had persisted with it they would have only taken 200 per year plus £30k each and we had agreed to accept vulnerable refugees in return. So not much difference to the France scheme apart from the £30k per returnee and the £700m. So if you find the France scheme hilarious you should have been rolling on the floor laughing at the Rwanda one.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.
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The number due to be returned yesterday was the grand total of 1 and they didn't manage that.
 
M18CTID said:
No it doesn’t but if people think it’s imminent why aren’t they lumping on at such great odds?

I think he’s much shorter odds to step down next year rather than this year
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It’s because they say it every few weeks or so. If they say it often enough, they might be proven correct and people might forget that they’ve cried wolf multiple times before.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.
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Rwanda was exactly the same ie one for one albeit Rwanda could send a person deemed by them as a bad un.

Even now, the Tories are crying because Labour scrapped it.

The issue is more nuanced than what we on a forum know.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
But migration has fallen recently so what is the problem, zero immigration is not possible because we need it so what numbers would people find acceptable? They just want to eliminate cultures and not numbers. None of them for example were bothered about the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that we have taken.

If it's just about the numbers then which bit of migration do they want to reduce specifically? 400k of 1m are students, 300k come to work and contribute. The small boat arrivals are worth less than 10% of the total.

Robinson's lot aren't Reform supporters because they will do nothing except maybe deport asylum seekers. Robinson's lot want to deport anybody who doesn't look like them and that could include British people born here. It's Nazism 101.
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It’s fallen because we are measuring relative to the post-Covid Boriswave. Remove that couple of years of the Boriswave period and it’s at an all time high, after years and years of the electorate clearly signalling they want it right down.

Keep bringing in net 400k a year and complaining about the rise of the far right. It’s fucking mental!!
 
Why is it all Farage fans word their posts in the same cult like fashion?

It's never about debate. It's laughing at 'owning the left'. Denigrating the person they are debating with and no factual arguements defending their position. Just things Nigel, or some **** using AI cartoons on social media to simplify their BS on line has said?
 
TinFoilHat said:
Why is it all Farage fans word their posts in the same cult like fashion?

It's never about debate. It's laughing at 'owning the left'. Denigrating the person they are debating with and no factual arguements defending their position. Just things Nigel, or some **** using AI cartoons on social media to simplify their BS on line has said?
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At least you had the self awareness not to use your gammonati line there lol ;-)
 
TinFoilHat said:
Why is it all Farage fans word their posts in the same cult like fashion?

It's never about debate. It's laughing at 'owning the left'. Denigrating the person they are debating with and no factual arguements defending their position. Just things Nigel, or some **** using AI cartoons on social media to simplify their BS on line has said?
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I'm not so sure Farage has that many fans. What he does have is millions of people thinking "I'm never voting Tory or Labour ever again". (And the LibDems are a waste of time, and the Greens are insane).

That's effectively the boat I am in. I will vote for any right wing party that will kick Labour out. Unfortunately, Reform is the only option.
 
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