The Labour Government

[blueinsa]

Good chance he’s gone by the end of the week.

The PLP will know that very soon, they will face not just the threat of Farage and Reform but also one from their own left who have had enough.

Starmer and Reeves are toast. Not if, when.

 

[hampshireblue]

There were at least 150,000 people who turned up though mate and it's the characterization of all of them as thugs, which only amplifies their indignation. If we want a harmonious society, it's entirely the wrong approach.

And the small boats problem is easily remedied by any government with the will to do so.

Not only is Chippy a liar(a different topic) but a fantasist too.

 

[M18CTID]

No, did I say that? What I am saying is that these people have opened up a debate among the British people which had been a long time coming.

Yeah, because that debate has never been had before has it? Yaxley-Lennon has been peddling his rhetoric for well over a decade, Hopkins for nearly as long, Fox for several years, and Farage for longer than all of them put together. None of them have ever been prevented from speaking, despite the free speech protagonists claiming otherwise.

And whatever the debate is that needs to be had, the entire cast of the **** Avengers aren’t the ones who should be speaking for the people.

 

[M18CTID]

If certain posters are convinced Starmer’s soon to be toast, maybe they should let the bookies know. After all, he’s as long as 6-1 to be replaced this year

 

[Chippy_boy]

Do you advocate putting asylum seekers on channel tunnel trains, that would stop the boats overnight?

Not specifically. Anyway I'm not the government.

 

[west didsblue]

If certain posters are convinced Starmer’s soon to be toast, maybe they should let the bookies know. After all, he’s as long as 6-1 to be replaced this year

Never mind that. They should be lumping on at 6/1.

 

[west didsblue]

There were at least 150,000 people who turned up though mate and it's the characterization of all of them as thugs, which only amplifies their indignation. If we want a harmonious society, it's entirely the wrong approach.

And the small boats problem is easily remedied by any government with the will to do so.

It’s true not all are thugs but you can’t get round the fact they all attended a rally organised by a thug, with contributions from an assortment of racists, conspiracy nuts and fascists.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well, the political suicide being committed by not stopping the boats would suggest it is more difficult than we envisage.

It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.

 

[M18CTID]

Never mind that. They should be lumping on at 6/1.

I agree - if they’re that convinced then there’s good money to be made

 

[mosssideblue]

It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.

That’s your anticipated outcome. I personally think the boats would still come.

There have been many refugees waiting for their ticket saying nothing would deter them

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.

If it’s that simple, why hasn’t anybody been able to do it?

Where are we returning people seeking asylum to, France, or their country of origin?

Those people I worked closely with in the Middle East, who would no doubt be killed immediately if returned to their own country, are you willing to accept their death?

Is the answer Reform, who said, like you, that they’d sort this within 2-weeks, before backtracking as they knew it was a load of bollox?

 

[Postman Pep]

Kicked it off with some cringe and gone downhill ever since.




Phase 3 looking unlikely .... never mind phase 5 ;-)

 

[west didsblue]

That’s your anticipated outcome. I personally think the boats would still come.

There have been many refugees waiting for their ticket saying nothing would deter them

Course they would.
They’d just go underground rather than attempt to claim asylum.

 

[Chippy_boy]

That’s your anticipated outcome. I personally think the boats would still come.

There have been many refugees waiting for their ticket saying nothing would deter them

Well it worked in Australia and I think it would work here too.

I suspect we'll find out if I'm right or you are, in about 4 years time because I think Farage will be the next PM and will instigate these measures.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.

That sounds easy then. Vote Chippy

 

[Bluemanc100]

Well it worked in Australia and I think it would work here too.

I suspect we'll find out if I'm right or you are, in about 4 years time because I think Farage will be the next PM and will instigate these measures.

I get that the peasants are revolting but Farage as PM.. I just don’t think the electorate are that stupid.. But I may be wrong

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Don't we live in a democracy? What is stopping people from voting for change in an election? If that fails then why can't they just accept that this clearly isn't the view of most people?

There's a reason why they attack our institutions, police and judiciary whilst claiming they're fighting for democracy and law. There's a reason why they speak freely despite the irony of their claim that they can't speak freely.

What they want isn't democracy or an ordered change implemented as government. They really want a violent insurrection or authoritarian boot which acts beyond the rule of law to attack minorities, impose their misinformed version of British eugenics and eliminate any opposition or people they hate. Western Europe has seen this before.....

When was the last time a government was elected on a manifesto where they promised to increase immigration?

The electorate have sent a clear message in that they want immigration reduced. Every Tory and Labour manifesto says they will do so.

Not only have they not reduced immigration, they’ve increased it. Figure of 1m, 700k net migration are grotesque and fundamentally change the country long term.

Do you think we might want to start reducing immigration numbers to subdue the far right? deliver what they were elected to do for once?

 

[bluethrunthru]

It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.

voice of Columbo

"erm Mr Choppy just one last question. How do you send people to other countries without prior agreement from said country to allow your vessels to dock or your airplane to land? You see there are the Foreign Carrier Permit needed to land a plane and if that is denied you cannot land your plane. With ships if you violate the Law of the Sea and its seen as an act of aggression to enter territorial waters and a breach of that country's sovereignty. I only ask because you have been keen to express the importance of national sovereignty"

 

[Chippy_boy]

voice of Columbo

"erm Mr Choppy just one last question. How do you send people to other countries without prior agreement from said country to allow your vessels to dock or your airplane to land? You see there are the Foreign Carrier Permit needed to land a plane and if that is denied you cannot land your plane. With ships if you violate the Law of the Sea and its seen as an act of aggression to enter territorial waters and a breach of that country's sovereignty. I only ask because you have been keen to express the importance of national sovereignty"

I don't have the energy to get into an argument over this mate. My position is this is achieveable. Send them back to originating countries that will take them, or to third party countries where they will not.

But this is not my policy and I don't even advocate it. (I might.). I merely said that the small boat issue is easily fixed by any government with the political will to fix it. No prior government has had such desire or determination.

That is my opinion. Your view may vary. Fine by me.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well it worked in Australia and I think it would work here too.

I suspect we'll find out if I'm right or you are, in about 4 years time because I think Farage will be the next PM and will instigate these measures.

They sent people to Nauru - 3rd smallest country on the planet after the Vatican City and Monaco and Papua New Guinea - they stopped using the latter because PNG became riddled with gang violence and an Australian Court ruled it was illegal to keep using it.

You are comparing apples with broccolli