You can download it onto 2 phones, and if you read Dan Roan's piece he was told to delete it once used, which supports this. The link was probably the login to the tout's account. City said they discovered 7 accounts acting in concert and banned them all.The members pass is on the members phone, you can't login and keep downloading it to different phones, this isn't touts that stand outside the ground this is massive companies with millions. There's other examples where blues have been specifically told the end buyer was sent a link to download the ticket.
I didnt assume I asked you numerous times and you kept coming up with impossible examples, so i suggested my own theory.You can download it onto 2 phones, and if you read Dan Roan's piece he was told to delete it once used, which supports this. The link was probably the login to the tout's account. City said they discovered 7 accounts acting in concert and banned them all.
Because you can't work out how it happened, you've made the mistake of assuming it can't happen, and jumped to a stupid conclusion without knowing all the facts.
Perhaps I'm missing a step but:-
1. Robsta's son puts his ST seat up on the exchange
2. A tout who has multiple accounts already setup uses a bot to buy the ticket(s) and advertises it.
3. Someone buys it at a marked up price and gets sent the login details for the touts account that bought the seat. They download the app and login.
4. Once the ticket is used, the password is changed on the account.
5. Rinse & repeat.
If the above is possible and as simple as it appears then it would explain City's seemingly draconian restriction on how many times a ST can be downloaded. They'll be collating statistics and looking to shut this route down.
Not if the end buyer deletes the pass after using so the next buyer can download it and if the seller has 7 or more accounts then plenty of profit. However it's done I don't get why people think the club would sell to unauthorised sellers when they have their own authorised partners,doubt the official partner resellers would be too pleased.I didnt assume I asked you numerous times and you kept coming up with impossible examples, so i suggested my own theory.
So lets delve into your latest theory, seems plausible, but we then have to assume the touting company is buying memberships up going to the prerequisite number of games to be able to qualify for a Derby ticket (5 from memory?) Then selling the ticket for 1 game only as they'd be the at the max 2 pass downloads. Doesn't seem to be any profit in that? Definitely plausible though unlike your other comments.
I'd suggest its far more likely that someone in the club with access to tickets is selling them for a profit something that has happened for many years.
He’s too obsessed with sifting out genuine (legacy) city fans to have time for such problemsThe club should hire a ticket compliance officer.
Oh wait....
Deleting the pass doesn't give you more chances to download its max 2 like a season ticket.Not if the end buyer deletes the pass after using so the next buyer can download it and if the seller has 7 or more accounts then plenty of profit. However it's done I don't get why people think the club would sell to unauthorised sellers when they have their own authorised partners,doubt the official partner resellers would be too pleased.
Does it bypass fans? 2 seasons ago it was really difficult to get exchange tickets, last season I had no problem, and not needed any yet this season but I've had e-mails when they have gone onto the exchange, or Flexi golds not taken up and could have bought them.Climbing into bed with a ticketing firm was always a bad optic and open to criticism, no matter how some, including the club, dress it up as a "service". It's a greed based option that bypasses genuine fans.
Even if someone in the club (and all the other clubs) are doing this, the touts would still need accounts to access the tickets. So however they're doing it most likely involves a ticket account.I didnt assume I asked you numerous times and you kept coming up with impossible examples, so i suggested my own theory.
So lets delve into your latest theory, seems plausible, but we then have to assume the touting company is buying memberships up going to the prerequisite number of games to be able to qualify for a Derby ticket (5 from memory?) Then selling the ticket for 1 game only as they'd be the at the max 2 pass downloads. Doesn't seem to be any profit in that? Definitely plausible though unlike your other comments.
I'd suggest its far more likely that someone in the club with access to tickets is selling them for a profit something that has happened for many years.
I don't think the club is making anything directly from the actual sale of tickets. I think the way it works is that these agencies pay us an upfront sum and we supply them with a set number of tickets under the contract. The agency then make the money on selling the package.Are City saying that with having 8-9 ticket tout agencies, that they are unable to sell 53,000 tickets direct to supporters themselves?
Otherwise why would you employ/team up with these sites?
The only obvious reason is so the club can sell tickets at higher prices than what was set out at the beginning of the season
The club should put the foot down and tell these sites that if you can’t shifts tickets for the Fulham/Brentford type games you wont get any tickets for the Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal games.
Make the little runts work for their money instead of just appearing and making money for the big games
F*cking con artists. The club should be ashamed
Kudos for your non aggressive reply to said poster.Even if someone in the club (and all the other clubs) are doing this, the touts would still need accounts to access the tickets. So however they're doing it most likely involves a ticket account.
These people are basically professional criminals. You, I assume, are not. These people find ways of making money that never occur to the likes of you and I.
Depends if they can afford them I suppose.Does it bypass fans? 2 seasons ago it was really difficult to get exchange tickets, last season I had no problem, and not needed any yet this season but I've had e-mails when they have gone onto the exchange, or Flexi golds not taken up and could have bought them.
Well cost is a completely different argument to availability. This year they are much cheaper than last seaon,and IMO more reasonable, but affordability is an individual thing.Depends if they can afford them I suppose.
Yep, that makes sense.I don't think the club is making anything directly from the actual sale of tickets. I think the way it works is that these agencies pay us an upfront sum and we supply them with a set number of tickets under the contract. The agency then make the money on selling the package.
It's not completely different. But take your point. Fans being priced out is arguably the basis of the discussion.Well cost is a completely different argument to availability. This year they are much cheaper than last seaon,and IMO more reasonable, but affordability is an individual thing.
The sophisticated workarounds involving cloning or similar would not be detectable by the club.I didnt assume I asked you numerous times and you kept coming up with impossible examples, so i suggested my own theory.
So lets delve into your latest theory, seems plausible, but we then have to assume the touting company is buying memberships up going to the prerequisite number of games to be able to qualify for a Derby ticket (5 from memory?) Then selling the ticket for 1 game only as they'd be the at the max 2 pass downloads. Doesn't seem to be any profit in that? Definitely plausible though unlike your other comments.
I'd suggest its far more likely that someone in the club with access to tickets is selling them for a profit something that has happened for many years.
You can't download a season ticket or membership more than twice even if one is then deleted, it's a total of 2 downloads per season not multiple downloads but can only ever be held on 2 phones, if that makes sense?Not if the end buyer deletes the pass after using so the next buyer can download it and if the seller has 7 or more accounts then plenty of profit. However it's done I don't get why people think the club would sell to unauthorised sellers when they have their own authorised partners,doubt the official partner resellers would be too pleased.