Crumpsall Synagogue Attack - two people confirmed dead, one inadvertently shot by police along with the suspect

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller
 
MCC said:
Terrible tragedy. RIP to those that lost their lives . Speedy recovery to the injured. Don't know why the police waited so long to pull the trigger.
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Give them a bell and let them know what they should have done.
 
Really is shocking and my solidarity goes out to all British Jews, especially the ones on here.

It is absolutely essential that IF Palestine is the murderer's main reason for doing this then the movement really needs to double down to eradicate any form of antisemitism from it's ranks. No excuses and no nonsense.
 
It appears one of the three people in hospital in a serious condition may have been inadvertently injured by the police. Another was stabbed and the third hit by the van. No further details yet.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You're the last person I'd have accused of naivety Sam. Did you see the reports of that protest in London yesterday? They were quoting one of the organisers as saying that the detention of Thunberg (they used the word 'kidnapping') was more concerning than the murder of Jews. They then went on to say"I don't care about the Jewish community".

If you wanted to clearly separate support for Palestinians from hatred for Jews, then you'd cancel that protest because of the optics. But they have no decency and you can bet at least some in the mob would have explicitly been celebrating that action in Crumpsall. Even if it's not explicit, it implicitly looks like they are celebrating it.

You only need to look at this thread. How many foaming-at-the-mouth critics of Israel in other threads have been on this one to express any sympathies for thr victims? That should tell you everything.
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You're first 2 paragraphs are fine and you're completely entitled to your opinion but I think you're being completely unfair with the last paragraph and offending most decent people on here.

It's perfect plausible to have sympathy for the British Jewish community and the victims yesterday, whilst being critical of what Israel is doing to Palestine.
I absolutely agree that antisemitism is on the rise in the UK as seen with the attack yesterday and most likely the middle east situation is compounding the rise in antisemitism where some people cant separate the two.
British Jews are more at risk and need greater protection and understandably have a lot more fear right now.

To say you cant have sympathy for the victims and their families yesterday and the Jewish community whilst also being critical of Israel is just wrong though. Trying to equate the two is insulting to genuinely decent people.

I also think you're being completely unfair on the moderating team, where we do our best to allow a balance of opinions and even show quite a bit of leniency in stressful times. This isn't the cesspit that X is.

Anyway I dont think this argument is fair in this thread right now. An awful incident happened yesterday and the victims families deserve sympathy and respect.
 
johnny crossan said:
Shocking news from GMP that one of two dead Jewish men died from gunshot wounds. He was shot by the police while guarding the door from the attacker and another of the casualties also injured by them.
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These lads have to make split second decisions in these situations... Sad but true

Hopefully the officer isn't hounded out of his job like some have been in the military
 
Bluemanc100 said:
These lads have to make split second decisions in these situations... Sad but true

Hopefully the officer isn't hounded out of his job like some have been in the military
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Jeeez how shit is that !
johnny crossan said:
Shocking news from GMP that one of two dead Jewish men died from gunshot wounds. He was shot by the police while guarding the door from the attacker and another of the casualties also injured by th
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johnny crossan said:
Shocking news from GMP that one of two dead Jewish men died from gunshot wounds. He was shot by the police while guarding the door from the attacker and another of the casualties also injured by them.
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That's awful. I can only assume that the police didn't know they were there when they shot the perpetrator
 
Bluemanc100 said:
These lads have to make split second decisions in these situations... Sad but true

Hopefully the officer isn't hounded out of his job like some have been in the military
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Can’t imagine what the marksmen are feeling. What a terrible decision to have to make, but that’s what they’re trained for. Quick decisions.

The bottom line is that if this murderous piece of dirt hadn’t done what he’d done, no decisions to make. It isn’t their fault and I hope the public see it that way
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Can’t imagine what the marksmen are feeling. What a terrible decision to have to make, but that’s what they’re trained for. Quick decisions.

The bottom line is that if this murderous piece of dirt hadn’t done what he’d done, no decisions to make. It isn’t their fault and I hope the public see it that way
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Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.
 
Terrible news but sadly not really surprising. I think there is a climate of creeping antisemitism in the UK at the moment from sections of the population. This needs to be confronted and has no place in our society.

Condolences to those affected and appreciation to those in the emergency services who were involved.
 
Bigga said:
Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.
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Looks like they may have been inside the synagogue behind the door preventing the attacker from getting in.
 
Bigga said:
Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.
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They were behind the door of the synagogue
 
johnny crossan said:
Looks like they may have been inside the synagogue behind the door preventing the attacker from getting in.
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Okay, thanks. I haven't looked at or want to look at the footage.

These are Human beings, not SM entertainment for me.

Not a rabbit hole I want to be in.
 
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