What has the UK become under the far right influence?

In my area the local knuckle draggers are asking for help to put new flags. They are 2 part flags which includes the Israeli flag. When asked why they answered ' we want to support the Jews'. I find a certain irony in that and their use ' of 't'he Jews rather than the Jewish people or the state of Israel
 
The perfect fumble said:
As I've said on a number of occasions, usually to a chorus of wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspects, if reasonable people's reasonable demands are not dealt with reasonably, they'll be dealt with unreasonably.

So now they're going to be dealt with unreasonably.

The gap between what was said and what was done has grown too wide, so a sizeable number of Brits have given up on the talking heads in the establishment parties, particularly as the party in power is still talking absolute bollocks. Combating ethno nationalism does not start well when a British Citizen, our Home Secretary, a woman who celebrates her proud Asian origins, declares herself English or with David Lammy who calls himself English while in parallel has campaigned for reparation for "his" people. That way English ethnicity becomes so broad, so all encompassing, that Friday's attack in Manchester can only be described as English on English violence.

Ethnicity can, but does not necessarily lead to ethno nationalism. But the way to combat ethno nationalism does not start with the selective eradication of English ethnicity, the majority ethnicity, or its redefinition so broad as to render it meaningless, while simultaneously ring fencing and celebrating ethnic minority identities. This cunning wheeze dreamt up around an Islington dinner table has run its course.

It is not racist to declare that English ethnicity exists, or French ethnicity, or German or Spanish ethnicity for that matter, and that these categories include some people and exclude others, that is the truth that dare not speak its name in liberal left circles, hence....

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I repeat....We live in a multi ethic country, but that phrase becomes meaningless if the majority ethnicity is redefined by the powers that be into meaninglessness. Coz when you do that you leave the field open to the two fuckers above to define it for g
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What do the pictures add to your post?
 
Putting aside people who are racist, I get why lots of people are concerned about immigration but the blunt reality is it's not going to fix our problems. Even if you take the most skewed and pessimistic view possible of the economic impact of immigration on the UK and then compare it to the amount of wealth being extracted by the super rich, the economics of immigration pale into insignificance.

This entire conversation is the equivalent of us arguing furiously about what to do about the pimple on our arse whilst we are haemorrhaging blood because some fucker is extracting one of our kidneys without anaesthetic.

It's understandable because trying to fix the real issue seems scary and unrealistic but at some point if we want to save ourselves were going to have to man up and decide what to try and do about the real issue.
 
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threespires said:
Putting aside people who are racist, I get why lots of people are concerned about immigration but the blunt reality is it's not going to fix our problems. Even if you take the most skewed and pessimistic view possible of the economic impact of immigration on the UK and then compare it to the amount of wealth being extracted by the super rich, the economics of immigration pale into insignificance.

This entire conversation is the equivalent of us arguing furiously about what to do about the pimple on our arse whilst we are haemorrhaging blood because some fucker is extracting one of our kidneys without anaesthetic.

It's understandable because trying to fix the real issue seems scary and unrealistic but at some point if we want to save ourselves were going to have to man up and decide what to do try and do about the real issue.
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All correct.... but you have to start somewhere don't you - the question is where? What do you do and how do you do it? It's either the thin end of the wedge (trying to control illegal immigration - the boat people) or full on confronting settled communities to work out who is legal and who is not and taking action.... There is of course always the third way - do nothing and just have open borders and let anyone in.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
All correct.... but you have to start somewhere don't you - the question is where? What do you do and how do you do it? It's either the thin end of the wedge (trying to control illegal immigration - the boat people) or full on confronting settled communities to work out who is legal and who is not and taking action.... There is of course always the third way - do nothing and just have open borders and let anyone in.
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I've got no issue with us trying to come up with a better immigration system and I really wish doing so would be the start of things getting better. But my point is that it's not really a start because it isn't going to make any difference; the numbers just don't add up. Even putting aside the rights or wrongs of taking in asylum seekers, legitimate or otherwise, if we stopped it all tomorrow it will make little to no difference. It might conceivably prop up a very few public services for a very short while, and then very quickly we're back where we are now and what do we look to cut then? Do we get rid of disabled people because they cost money? Who goes after they're gone?

Unless we address the outflow of wealth and power away from ordinary people and their governments into the hands of the ultra wealthy absolutely nothing will get better. We have two choices, face up to the real problem or accept that the advances of the 20th century have gone and that our children will be no better off than serfs. Everything else is just burying our heads in the sand I fear.
 
TinFoilHat said:
After watching a show this evening. I had 30 mins to kill before getting my bus home. So I popped in the nearest pub.

A group of drunk peaceful patriots were trying to justify to each other they aren't racist because they are English.

One piped up his grandfather fought in WW2 to stop the Nazis and thinks he wasted his life fighting for the wrong cause.

Another one had seen a video about a kid being raped by "A sand wog" and everyone of them should be "sent back"

I'm hoping to fuck I just dropped into a social experiment.
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Simple solution to anyone saying the flags have been patriotic is to ask any of the following questions.

1) Did you put flags up when England made the euros finals?
2) Or the World Cup semifinal?
3)Or when the England RU team made the World Cup final?
4) Charles coronation?

Asked this in work to a few and surprisingly no one had bothered for any of those patriotic moments in our history.

Just when we’re attacking immigrants.
 
threespires said:
I've got no issue with us trying to come up with a better immigration system and I really wish doing so would be the start of things getting better. But my point is that it's not really a start because it isn't going to make any difference; the numbers just don't add up. Even putting aside the rights or wrongs of taking in asylum seekers, legitimate or otherwise, if we stopped it all tomorrow it will make little to no difference. It might conceivably prop up a very few public services for a very short while, and then very quickly we're back where we are now and what do we look to cut then? Do we get rid of disabled people because they cost money? Who goes after they're gone?

Unless we address the outflow of wealth and power away from ordinary people and their governments into the hands of the ultra wealthy absolutely nothing will get better. We have two choices, face up to the real problem or accept that the advances of the 20th century have gone and that our children will be no better off than serfs. Everything else is just burying our heads in the sand I fear.
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Again I agree with your economics point of view. I have been saying for a long time that the world, yes the whole world needs to reset its proirities.

For as long as the ultrawealthy fat cats continue to make huge profits by deploying the latest labour saving strategies and AI and everything else in between they will eventually end up consuming themselves as there will be very few people left in the world with work and/or money to buy their prodcuts, be they cheap as chips or mega expensive.

No one or very few will be working and consequently we will all be very broke.... penniless.

You can see it coming... but how can you stop it?
 
I have said this before, but we have never had a sensible debate about immigration. I doubt we ever shall, because way too much emotion is involved. When everything is clouded by emotion, rational discussion becomes impossible.

But very simply, put before the British people the consequences of stopping - or very seriously restricting - immigration. Be honest, say what it would mean in terms like taxation, wages, staff shortages, impact on the NHS and other public services, retirement age, the whole shebang. No bullshit. Real, calculated projections. Then see what people want, after they've seen the future.

For example, for City fans, it would mean no more players from outside the UK and Ireland and a much shittier standard of football. But that would be a relatively trivial consequence.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Try finding a solution, rather than legitimising the two people you’ve posted pictures of.
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Legitimising what?

Ethno nationalism? Christian nationalism? Civic nationalism?

Which one are you in favour of? And what difference if any is there between Robinson and Farage?

Is multiculturalism compatible with any of them?

This is Lammy from 2020...

English identity, civic nationalism and a compulsory civic service​


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https://labourlist.org/2020/04/english-identity-civic-nationalism-and-a-compulsory-civic-service/

What do you reckon?

Or how about this....

Keir Starmer must forge a future-facing nationalism​


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Criteria for belonging can be based on the common good

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...tarmer-must-forge-a-future-facing-nationalism

I'm all ears? Or are you just a posturing, virtue signalling prick?
 
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The perfect fumble said:
And what positions are they?

Ethno nationalism? Christian nationalism? Civic nationalism?

Which one are you in favour of? And what difference if any is there between Robinson and Farage?

Is multiculturalism compatible with any of them?

This is Lammy from 2020...

English identity, civic nationalism and a compulsory civic service​


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https://labourlist.org/2020/04/english-identity-civic-nationalism-and-a-compulsory-civic-service/

What do you reckon?
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I reckon you’re stuck in a loop posting the same thing that gets you nowhere as no one is interested.
 
threespires said:
Putting aside people who are racist, I get why lots of people are concerned about immigration but the blunt reality is it's not going to fix our problems. Even if you take the most skewed and pessimistic view possible of the economic impact of immigration on the UK and then compare it to the amount of wealth being extracted by the super rich, the economics of immigration pale into insignificance.

This entire conversation is the equivalent of us arguing furiously about what to do about the pimple on our arse whilst we are haemorrhaging blood because some fucker is extracting one of our kidneys without anaesthetic.

It's understandable because trying to fix the real issue seems scary and unrealistic but at some point if we want to save ourselves were going to have to man up and decide what to try and do about the real issue.
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Yep - get rid of every asylum seeker in every hotel and temporary accommodation tomorrow and we might save £3-4Bn per year. So we might spend ~£15Bn by 2029. That could be eaten up by interest rate increases in about a week. We simply wouldn't notice if it was gone.

Cost of triple lock policy by 2029 (not the total pension, just the increase) - about £15Bn
Total cost of the "tax gap" - non-compliance on tax payments across all demographics by 2029 - about £250Bn
Total spend on Defence by 2029 - circa £300Bn
Total spend on Health and Social Care services by 2029 - circa £1,000Bn

People on the right are always talking about how the country should be run like a private business. Well as somebody who's job it is to know what CEOs are focusing on, let me tell you if this country was run like a business a CEO wouldn't be wasting a single second of effort on small change like the asylum process - it wouldn't get on the ExCo agenda. Abolish it overnight and it will not move the needle even a hair. It's a penny smart, pound foolish obsession.

And it is really pissing me off how people repeatedly and deliberately conflate visa immigration and ILR with the asylum process. In fact it scares me how people are so focused on "othering" people they just talk about them all in one block as if every immigrant must be suspected of being illegal. You look at what's happening with ICE in the states, government officials removing innocent people who are there legally and trying to build a life. If that's the path we're going down (and make no mistake, we do seem to be), then I'm not risking sticking around in this country to see my wife stuck in Nige and Tommy's secret police van.
 
BrianW said:
I have said this before, but we have never had a sensible debate about immigration. I doubt we ever shall, because way too much emotion is involved. When everything is clouded by emotion, rational discussion becomes impossible.

But very simply, put before the British people the consequences of stopping - or very seriously restricting - immigration. Be honest, say what it would mean in terms like taxation, wages, staff shortages, impact on the NHS and other public services, retirement age, the whole shebang. No bullshit. Real, calculated projections. Then see what people want, after they've seen the future.

For example, for City fans, it would mean no more players from outside the UK and Ireland and a much shittier standard of football. But that would be a relatively trivial consequence.
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I would presume you would accept that the other way round a discussion on extra taxation, public services, loss of green areas, more consumption, more concrete, more crime more congestion...........

People only ever seem to be concerned with economic growth on here in the main.

The absurdity of unlimited economic growth on a planet with finite resources - Jane Goodall
 
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