Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv - away fans banned | MTA confirm they will refuse any allocation for safety reasons (p26)

It's my understanding that Beitar Jerusalem and Maccabi Tel Aviv are by some margin the two clubs that get done the most for racist chanting/banners by the Israeli FA. Beitar historically have a really terrible reputation but apparently it's become an increasing problem with the Maccabi fans too.

Is the risk from a bunch of racist violent ultras a sufficient reason to ban all away fans? It's not ideal as there will be decent fans who miss out but it's not an extraordinary decision. Given the nature of the racism and the ethnic mix round Villa Park (and to be clear it won't be one way racism) it's probably a sensible public order decision.

It's worth noting that after initially suggesting the Maccabi fans were the victims of anti-semitic violence after the Ajax game, the Mayor of Amsterdam subsequently changed her view when the facts emerged and berated the police services for not providing her with intelligence about the nature of some of Maccabi's travelling support.
 
Ric said:
Does feel like the whole thing has been handled pretty badly, not helped by the clumsy interventions of Starmer and Badenoch. They should have just gone ahead with it, but perhaps given Maccabi a reduced allocation based on what happened in Amsterdam, and then policed it to fuck to prevent any major trouble on the night. It's now become a far bigger political issue than it should have been.
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I don't think there's a perfect solution to this. I've seen it mentioned elsewhere that the Maccabi fans could've been policed like they would be in a "bubble match". Have them all meet up somewhere well away from the ground and the city centre then bus them in and out under a police escort, with match tickets to be handed out on the buses.

If the government succeed in getting this ban overturned, what happens if it seriously kicks off? That would surely vindicate the decision of WMP and the SAG to ban them in the first place.
 
superwatsonwatson said:
Not quite right. As soon as they saw nited beat Crystal Palace in the 1990 FA Cup final nited were allowed back in Europe.
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It’s very right. Liverpool were given the extra year ban so could not compete in the European Cup as Champions of England. Had another club won the title they would have entered the EC.
Teams were unable to enter the UEFA Cup for a few years more due to UEFA’s co-efficiency covering a 5 year period - the total years of the ban of course. But to imply the ban was lifted solely because United had qualified is nonsense
 
Ric said:
Does feel like the whole thing has been handled pretty badly, not helped by the clumsy interventions of Starmer and Badenoch. They should have just gone ahead with it, but perhaps given Maccabi a reduced allocation based on what happened in Amsterdam, and then policed it to fuck to prevent any major trouble on the night. It's now become a far bigger political issue than it should have been.
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If another set of fans had done what the Tel Aviv fans did in Amsterdam, no one would be batting an eyelid if their fans got banned for a game that was potentially a flashpoint, considering there is a section of their fans who are deeply racist towards muslims and Brum has a large muslim population. It's a public order issue, which has of course now turned into something else.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
It’s very right. Liverpool were given the extra year ban so could not compete in the European Cup as Champions of England. Had another club won the title they would have entered the EC.
Teams were unable to enter the UEFA Cup for a few years more due to UEFA’s co-efficiency covering a 5 year period - the total years of the ban of course. But to imply the ban was lifted solely because United had qualified is nonsense
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Yep, the full quota of UEFA Cup places didn't get filled for a few years but Villa did play in the 1990/91 UEFA Cup by virtue of finishing second the season before
 
bluejon said:
They can't guarantee their safety because there is a really good chance the Tel Aviv fans will be acting like absolute cunts, winding the locals up and singing racist songs, and then will cry like fuck if anything happens back to them. They remind me a bit of a crowd from down the M62.
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And also that other “community groups” could be out in force to demonstrate against Israel and may or may not have peaceful intentions. It’s a powder keg waiting for Guy Fawkes to turn up with a match.
 
Just out of interest if the ban is removed and Macaabi fans attend if the result is rioting, violence, damage and heaven forbid death are those demanding the ban be overturned prepared to own the results of what they demanded? Not blaming the Police, not blaming the PCC but accepting that overturning the ban at their insistence means subsequent actions are on them?
 
Manc Born & Bred said:
This has nothing to do with the Maccabi fans, it's everything to do with the police's inability to control the pro pally twats who, spurred on by their Gaza MP and councilors would have undoubtedly turned up in large numbers to cause trouble. Spoken to some sensible Villa fans today and they are appalled that their club's name is being dragged through the mud (a little like ours is over the charges). Maccabi Tel Aviv despite what some may think do not have a reputation for hooliganism in any way. One incident in Amsterdam last year and remember that was mainly driven by locals. The trouble was organised days in advance according to court transcripts. There was a WhatsApp group with nearly 1k people in it. I wonder how the WMP can manage to police a Birmingham derby if they are drawn against each other and 6k away fans turn up? Will the Gaza MP ask for them to be banned because the police can't cope, I doubt it. This is all political, driven by one community in particular and no prizes for guessing which one.
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Can anyone advise if Maccaba fans were banned at Stoke in 2011 or Chelsea in 2015?
If not was there violence?

If this game was in Bournemouth, would this ban still be in place?

If the answer is no, unfortunately the above post has some truth in it.
 
Brooklands Blue said:
The justification of bannig of away by some on here due to the stupid behaviour at previous games by the Macabba fans is laughable. If that was the case England fans would be banned at every away game given their previous behaviour.

We all know why this decision has been taken by the Police. It is dreadful that foreign football supporters, of any race, religion or colour cannot come to the UK to watch a game of football.

I have a degree of sympathy for West Midlands Police as they have been clearly put under pressure by the local 'community' to ban the away supporters but that is reflective of how different groups are treated by the Police in the UK. Imagine the uproar if GMP decided to ban Turkish fans from our game with them in the champions league.
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What a total crock of shit.

Last time I checked, England hadn't invaded a sovereign state and committed genocide. Whether you like it or not, an Israeli football team (an ultra partisan one at that, that pridefully sings "death to Arabs") is inextricably linked to the terrorist state's actions. Don't bother comparing England fans with Maccabi fans, they're on different ends of the pole. They shouldn't be in the competition in the first place.

The Maccabi fans showed what they are the other year in Amsterdam. It's a sensible decision by WMP; eliminating any chance of these scumbags inciting violence.
 
The fuckers shouldn’t be in the competition to start with and anyone thinking Maccabi are ever the victims should watch that video filmed by the kid (not the MSM version of events) last time they were in the Netherlands. Similar scenes in Birmingham and there is every chance someone will lose their life.
 
Scottyboi said:
Let them go to the match, police it as normal and see what actually happens.
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Yes, just let them attend and see what actually happens. Let's hope they don't instigate a riot by launching projectiles at police, or stab someone with the wrong colour skin.

Fucking hell.
 
The Millwall fans of European football being politicised as teddy bears for a safety decision to prevent Birmingham from being trashed.

Regardless of where they are from their fans have a reputation for being cunts and Brum police don't have the resources to babysit them.
 
Manc Born & Bred said:
This has nothing to do with the Maccabi fans, it's everything to do with the police's inability to control the pro pally twats who, spurred on by their Gaza MP and councilors would have undoubtedly turned up in large numbers to cause trouble. Spoken to some sensible Villa fans today and they are appalled that their club's name is being dragged through the mud (a little like ours is over the charges). Maccabi Tel Aviv despite what some may think do not have a reputation for hooliganism in any way. One incident in Amsterdam last year and remember that was mainly driven by locals. The trouble was organised days in advance according to court transcripts. There was a WhatsApp group with nearly 1k people in it. I wonder how the WMP can manage to police a Birmingham derby if they are drawn against each other and 6k away fans turn up? Will the Gaza MP ask for them to be banned because the police can't cope, I doubt it. This is all political, driven by one community in particular and no prizes for guessing which one.
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The LGBTQ+ mob?
 
Blue and true said:
Yes, just let them attend and see what actually happens. Let's hope they don't instigate a riot by launching projectiles at police, or stab someone with the wrong colour skin.

Fucking hell.
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I think they would get absolutely done in tbh if they acted up, especially with Birminghams diverse population.
 
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