The Labour Government

WRicko said:
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It’s typical Starmer and the Home Secretary shout about antisemitism without actually reviewing the footage of Maccabi fans running riot round Amsterdam. Maybe they don’t know the difference between a Maccabi fan and an Amsterdam pedestrian, they should trust the police force a bit more.

The government LOST their appeal and failed to stop the legal challenge of the Palestine Action ban. That means the Judicial Review will go ahead in November 25-27th.

Not only that, but they won two more grounds to argue the illegality of the ban a huge victory for the 2,100 people charged with terrorism.
 
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
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At least he’s putting student fees up, the bell end…
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
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Really? I don’t think it’s working but I’ve seen their strategy for pretty much all of those. Whether I agree with it is a different matter!

The messaging is pretty obviously failing too.
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
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Most of their time these days is spent trying to extricate themselves from whatever shit they’ve created from their own fuck ups and dishonesty.

Rayner’s sacking, then Mandelson’s sacking and the lies they told about what they knew and when on the new Epstein revelations, and now they’re having to change their story every couple of days about the China spy case because they’ve being telling porkies about that as well.

And in a few weeks they’ll have to concentrate on the Budget, and wringing more money out of a diminishing number of people, simply because Reeves chose to borrow far too much money last year, and of course the pig’s ear they made of their welfare reforms.

It’s very difficult to achieve anything when they spend all day chasing their tail.
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
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I don’t understand this ? What makes you say it’s not coherent ? What would a coherent plan look like. Have we ever had a coherent plan ? Is it possible your browned to have competing policies goals etc
 
meltonblue said:
Really? I don’t think it’s working but I’ve seen their strategy for pretty much all of those. Whether I agree with it is a different matter!

The messaging is pretty obviously failing too.
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I think there is a strategy but what do you think it is ?
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
I don’t see any coherent strategy for economic growth, reduction in borrowing, control of spending, welfare reform, control of illegal immigration, improvement of public services, or anything else tbh. It’s not the messaging that’s failing is it, it’s just not there. Neither is any meaningful foreign policy plan. We are just in a vacuum.
Wake up Starmer and start to lead for crying out loud.
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We could get an indication of this at the budget I suppose but I’m disappointed in what the party has delivered thus far. Still 4 years to go though
 
meltonblue said:
Really? I don’t think it’s working but I’ve seen their strategy for pretty much all of those. Whether I agree with it is a different matter!

The messaging is pretty obviously failing too.
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They may well have great ideas for growth but it’s all pie in the sky with the budget being focused on plugging yet another hole in other words we all pay more (because everyone’s tax is going up not just the high earners) just to stand still.

This constant uncertainty is damaging to confidence, people uncertain with what the budget will bring won’t be spending for Christmas, that’ll further damage a fragile situation. Reeves once in a parliament budget of tax rises hasn’t lasted the year. Unemployment up. Inflation up. Interest rates up. National chains shuttering up. Everyone else’s fault but her own. She is hanging on by the last of her credibility. Both her and Starmer will be gone by June unless a miracle not of their making happens.

It’s all a little depressing really.
 
metalblue said:
They may well have great ideas for growth but it’s all pie in the sky with the budget being focused on plugging yet another hole in other words we all pay more (because everyone’s tax is going up not just the high earners) just to stand still.

This constant uncertainty is damaging to confidence, people uncertain with what the budget will bring won’t be spending for Christmas, that’ll further damage a fragile situation. Reeves once in a parliament budget of tax rises hasn’t lasted the year. Unemployment up. Inflation up. Interest rates up. National chains shuttering up. Everyone else’s fault but her own. She is hanging on by the last of her credibility. Both her and Starmer will be gone by June unless a miracle not of their making happens.

It’s all a little depressing really.
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I don’t disagree with any of that :)
 
metalblue said:
They may well have great ideas for growth but it’s all pie in the sky with the budget being focused on plugging yet another hole in other words we all pay more (because everyone’s tax is going up not just the high earners) just to stand still.

This constant uncertainty is damaging to confidence, people uncertain with what the budget will bring won’t be spending for Christmas, that’ll further damage a fragile situation. Reeves once in a parliament budget of tax rises hasn’t lasted the year. Unemployment up. Inflation up. Interest rates up. National chains shuttering up. Everyone else’s fault but her own. She is hanging on by the last of her credibility. Both her and Starmer will be gone by June unless a miracle not of their making happens.

It’s all a little depressing really.
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Any reduction in disposable income on anyone except the very wealthy wil inevitably lead to a drop in money in the real economy. She needs to balance how she does this very carefully.
 
metalblue said:
They may well have great ideas for growth but it’s all pie in the sky with the budget being focused on plugging yet another hole in other words we all pay more (because everyone’s tax is going up not just the high earners) just to stand still.

This constant uncertainty is damaging to confidence, people uncertain with what the budget will bring won’t be spending for Christmas, that’ll further damage a fragile situation. Reeves once in a parliament budget of tax rises hasn’t lasted the year. Unemployment up. Inflation up. Interest rates up. National chains shuttering up. Everyone else’s fault but her own. She is hanging on by the last of her credibility. Both her and Starmer will be gone by June unless a miracle not of their making happens.

It’s all a little depressing really.
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It is depressing, but it isn't her fault.

Brexit has reduced tax revenues by £40B a year, and who's fault is that? The same people that lied through their teeth to achieve it for their own financial gain, and now rail against her for having to deal with the situation they created.
 
blueinsa said:
Fast forward to 2067….it was the Tories and Brexit to blame for the black holes….
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Well, if Brexit was the problem, and has not been fixed by then, then it would need raising and sorting surely?

Also, what is the correct time period to absolve Brexit of any responsibility for the weakening economy? 2 years? 6 months? Never?
 
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