North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[blueparrot]

Whether that is true or not (it pretty much is, beyond the above mentioned pre-planning consultation excersise), the club certainly could have made it a hell of a lot easier on themselves with even a little bit more open engagement and transparency post approval.

Agree more transparency and clarity would have helped,still would, though if the e-mails from last week is correct. 500 being moved ( unless dome decide to stay depending on price)in the family stand is less than the expected 650 that were on the original plans to be moved.Plus it sounds like many of those that end up being moved could have expected to have been relocated quite a few years ago when their children reached 18.

 

[cpoverview]

Todays look around, Only realised when i was uploading that this was my 200th video of the expansion.

* Apologies, forgot to add the picture of the roofwalk that i mention in the video

 

[Coatigan]

Agree more transparency and clarity would have helped,still would, though if the e-mails from last week is correct. 500 being moved ( unless dome decide to stay depending on price)in the family stand is less than the expected 650 that were on the original plans to be moved.Plus it sounds like many of those that end up being moved could have expected to have been relocated quite a few years ago when their children reached 18.

Agree. Worth highlighting the statement doesn't say how many would be moved or strictly from where. The 500 is coming from the fact the bar is stated as having that capacity. That doesn't need to strictly be one seat one space.

 

[Alty_Blue]

Todays look around, Only realised when i was uploading that this was my 200th video of the expansion

THANK YOU @cpoverview!!!

 

[Coatigan]

Todays look around, Only realised when i was uploading that this was my 200th video of the expansion.

* Apologies, forgot to add the picture of the roofwalk that i mention in the video

 

[LEXSTARproject]

What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* more rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* the location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap round sides, will provide allow the sound to boom out.
*the inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*the small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to atmosphere once the match has started.
* in recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere.

Spot on @Bert Swift, well said, sir. You are providing facts here. We really need a vocal home end as you describe to help generate an atmosphere; the acoustics, as you state above, are spot on.

Fans who want an atmosphere really need to see your post and realise that if they want an atmosphere, they need to move to the North Stand

Imagine 1800 singers in City Hall instead of the 500-prawn-sandwich brigade.

"Save our North Stand"

 

[Irlamblue]

Having a few thousand singers in the north stand would increase the noise from the corporate brigade.
A good majority of the corporate are just ordinary guys , drinking alot and enjoying the game.. for most part.
The rags have corporate in amongst the old stretford end and they all join in..

 

[HelloCity]

Having a few thousand singers in the north stand would increase the noise from the corporate brigade.
A good majority of the corporate are just ordinary guys , drinking alot and enjoying the game.. for most part.
The rags have corporate in amongst the old stretford end and they all join in..

Not the best example there…

Man United to REMOVE 850 executive seats from Stretford End

United fans had criticised the club for installing hospitality tickets in what is supposed to be the most vocal part of the ground and campaigned for them to be moved elsewhere for 25 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Centurions]

A bit more expanded to my previous post, since you haven't read the discussion on that.

It kind of seems to hinge on what 'the start of the expanded section' means.

To bluesmith and hellocity, that is 'the start of the new bit' i.e rows 16 and up. That happens to coincide with no seats installed there yet behind the hoarding. Which logically makes it easy to assume that padded seats can be intalled there without replacing ones currently at the front. And if you add the comment about no seats relocating to accommodate the Cross Bar, their take is perfectly sensible within that description.

My issue with it is this. If you assume 'the expanded section' to mean 'the new bit' i.e rows 16 and up. The cross bar is clearly stated as being 'at the start of the expaned section'. That means the current GA+ bar HAS to move up a level. To a concourse that holds far more people, it loses its 'exclusivity' and connection to the seats. That is also quite an intrusive change, to something that has been planned so far back, approved, costed, structured, being built. The sections through the building then don't match the wording.

If you go with my take, that 'the expanded section' is the whole tier, the start of it is rows 1 of tier 2 and onwards. This is then exactly where the seats have been approved and shown all along, where the cross bar is shown on the actual drawings, and where it is presumably being built. Not that people maybe notice such subtleties, but graphically, all material to date has also shown the tier as one. There is then no change involved whatsoever, and the wording lines up with the drawings. BUT, the issue then is the statement says no seats are affected or moved for the cross bar, and that is then a confusing anomaly. This I fully acknowledge.

Does that make sense pal? If I have been unfair or got something wrong in bluesmith and hellocity's take, happy to be corrected.

FWIW the 'swap' take actually ticks both boxes above and leaves no obvious anomalies in the wording. But for some reason does feel counterintuitive, and I don't really know why.

Am I reading that right? You think the Cross Bar itself is being physically relocated 1 level up? if so I can see why people are at cross purposes. It will still be on L01 (plans reference) straight above and overlapping City Hall. The 2023 & 2025 plans are below with the main differences being 2 additional toilet blocks and the hospitability/Cross Bar being reconfigured (if not just ignore this post).

Edit: I'm with bluesmith and hellocity in terms of what that term means by the way.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* more rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* the location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap round sides, will provide allow the sound to boom out.
*the inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*the small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to atmosphere once the match has started.
* in recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere.

This post absolutely nails it. It’s not only the best chance, it’s the only chance.

We have 2 groups of around 1000 singers. Vociferous away fans drown out each group and they don’t sing together. This results in the rest of the stadium not joining in. The high roof makes this worse affects song choice.

This is why we only get good atmospheres when the away fans are quiet, and even then not always. There are thousands of occasional singers around the stadium who would join in with the big chants if they happen.

 

[pride in battle]

This post absolutely nails it. It’s not only the best chance, it’s the only chance.

We have 2 groups of around 1000 singers. Vociferous away fans drown out each group and they don’t sing together. This results in the rest of the stadium not joining in. The high roof makes this worse affects song choice.

This is why we only get good atmospheres when the away fans are quiet, and even then not always. There are thousands of occasional singers around the stadium who would join in with the big chants if they happen.

So everyone needs to put personal issues aside and get onboard.

 

[paulchapo]

We are hiring these women to boost the atmosphere when the stand opens.

 

[Coatigan]

Am I reading that right? You think the Cross Bar itself is being physically relocated 1 level up? if so I can see why people are at cross purposes. It will still be on L01 (plans reference) straight above and overlapping City Hall. The 2023 & 2025 plans are below with the main differences being 2 additional toilet blocks and the hospitability/Cross Bar being reconfigured (if not just ignore this post).

Edit: I'm with bluesmith and hellocity in terms of what that term means by the way.

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No, I am saying the bar is staying where it is. The implication of what HelloCity and Bluesmith are saying, is that it will move. Along with the seating. I disagree.

IF 'the extended section' is the new portion. The bar has to move, because that is where the statement says it is. If it is not, the bar stays, which is what I am saying. It is that simple, the 'extended section' can't mean one thing for the bar and another for the seats. If that makes sense.

 

[Chappie]

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Wrong thread.

I take you dont do irony

 

[Didsbury Dave]

So everyone needs to put personal issues aside and get onboard.

The club need to push this. It was part of the stand’s initial development brief. I can’t understand why they aren’t making more noise about this already. We have no pressure group pushing it either, which doesn’t help.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I take you dont do irony

All the time.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

This post is spot on from a fellow Blue Moon Forum member, but we have people who think the South Stand is the best thing. Here lies a problem: we need the people in Kippax Corner and the low-level South Stand to move to the new North Stand to help generate noise, but people in the low-level South Stand will not move, so we end up going around in circles.

The North Stand needs to be a Blue Wall, but the club are fucking it up severely, chasing money instead of an atmosphere.

What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* more rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* the location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap round sides, will provide allow the sound to boom out.
*the inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*the small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to atmosphere once the match has started.
* in recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere.

 

[PragueBlue]

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere.

If fans really want an improved atmosphere, then I'm sure they'll move there. It's really up to them.

 

[deano ou812]

We are hiring these women to boost the atmosphere when the stand opens.

Rooney will be on the prowl..

 

[Silva2021]

This post is spot on from a fellow Blue Moon Forum member, but we have people who think the South Stand is the best thing. Here lies a problem: we need the people in Kippax Corner and the low-level South Stand to move to the new North Stand to help generate noise, but people in the low-level South Stand will not move, so we end up going around in circles.

The North Stand needs to be a Blue Wall, but the club are fucking it up severely, chasing money instead of an atmosphere.

What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* more rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* the location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap round sides, will provide allow the sound to boom out.
*the inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*the small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to atmosphere once the match has started.
* in recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere.

You have missed the modern trend of spending most of the match, offering the away supporters out and watching them more then the game.

This is why a lot would be reluctant to move!