North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[pottsy]

This post absolutely nails it. It’s not only the best chance, it’s the only chance.

We have 2 groups of around 1000 singers. Vociferous away fans drown out each group and they don’t sing together. This results in the rest of the stadium not joining in. The high roof makes this worse affects song choice.

This is why we only get good atmospheres when the away fans are quiet, and even then not always. There are thousands of occasional singers around the stadium who would join in with the big chants if they happen.

There has no been no public comment in support of these plans from any supporters group at any stage be it the OSC, Citymatters, 1894 or any of the many other groups. That tells its own story. They have been in the room with the club and know it’s a stitch up. They know the blue wall was something Khaldoon said at the time but probably never meant.

There’s no one really on social media giving praise to these plans. This stand is not built with rank and file City fans in mind. There’s only a bit of Stockholm syndrome on this site thinking somehow this corporate beast of a club can be persuaded after planning permission has gone in to change their plans !

We still don’t have any pricing !

All of the groups knew in advance it was the only chance.

The club go ahead and plan whatever they want without caring.

Two small sections where fans are expected to sing and everyone else sat down in between- some blue wall that’s going to be !

 

[Cobwebcat]

The club need to push this. It was part of the stand’s initial development brief. I can’t understand why they aren’t making more noise about this already. We have no pressure group pushing it either, which doesn’t help.

Different ways of doing things. Some examples below ;-)….

 

[There is a Light]

The club need to push this. It was part of the stand’s initial development brief. I can’t understand why they aren’t making more noise about this already. We have no pressure group pushing it either, which doesn’t help.

My feeling is that the club won’t push it on their own accord.

With 1894 not involved, if it really matters. someone else needs to step up and push the club either directly or via City Matters.

There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

 

[blueparrot]

My feeling is that the club won’t push it on their own accord.

With 1894 not involved, if it really matters. someone else needs to step up and push the club either directly or via City Matters.

There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

Nothing to stop groups of fans that want to stand together and forming a singing section contacting the club and asking to be stood together. The club have fitted 3000 standing sets and offered them to 1894 who for whatever reasons declined. Maybe the club can publicise it to fans but really now it’s mainly down to fans that want it to take up those rail seats, and show the demand is there to maybe get the 3000 increased.
For example are the regular away fans currently all sat together for home games ? No idea but If not maybe they could organise themselves and take up a chunk of the 3000 places.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

And like Ive said before. Who cares, that's for the club to analyse and decide upon. A cautious approach is better

I’d probably say the fans. Having proper consultation with the fans goes a long way.

Also what about if you’re in the section infront of the rail seating, but you can’t stand up? Surely those fans should know when/ if the club are planning to turn there seat into a standing one

The club are saying we might increase the standing section, but we have no idea when, how they decide or if they’re going to do it.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

My feeling is that the club won’t push it on their own accord.

With 1894 not involved, if it really matters. someone else needs to step up and push the club either directly or via City Matters.

There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

People have talked about setting up some kind of pressure group but I’ve seen the way that our fan groups turn on each other and there are some weird opinions around the place about this one.

The club should be pushing it hard. An atmosphere end can co exist with their corporate plans and even improve them. A better match atmosphere pays for itself in making “the product” more attractive and therefore profitable. They appear to have designed this stand with atmosphere in mind (the original plan even talked about the roof angle) but then either the personnel have changed or they’ve cooled on the idea due to feedback from fan groups.

I’m not in 1894 so can’t speak for their motivations, and I understand some of Dante’s points, but to me they should be all over this like a rash. But equally they shouldn’t need to be. It isn’t their job to make it happen.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

People have talked about setting up some kind of pressure group but I’ve seen the way that our fan groups turn on each other and there are some weird opinions around the place about this one.

The club should be pushing it hard. An atmosphere end can co exist with their corporate plans and even improve them. A better match atmosphere pays for itself in making “the product” more attractive and therefore profitable. They appear to have designed this stand with atmosphere in mind (the original plan even talked about the roof angle) but then either the personnel have changed or they’ve cooled on the idea due to feedback from fan groups.

I’m not in 1894 so can’t speak for their motivations, and I understand some of Dante’s points, but to me they should be all over this like a rash. But equally they shouldn’t need to be. It isn’t their job to make it happen.

Well said Dave

 

[I'm not really here]

You have missed the modern trend of spending most of the match, offering the away supporters out and watching them more then the game.

This is why a lot would be reluctant to move!

Spot on.

 

[Gingers Dad]

People have talked about setting up some kind of pressure group but I’ve seen the way that our fan groups turn on each other and there are some weird opinions around the place about this one.

The club should be pushing it hard. An atmosphere end can co exist with their corporate plans and even improve them. A better match atmosphere pays for itself in making “the product” more attractive and therefore profitable. They appear to have designed this stand with atmosphere in mind (the original plan even talked about the roof angle) but then either the personnel have changed or they’ve cooled on the idea due to feedback from fan groups.

I’m not in 1894 so can’t speak for their motivations, and I understand some of Dante’s points, but to me they should be all over this like a rash. But equally they shouldn’t need to be. It isn’t their job to make it happen.

Genuine question to all the atmosphere moaners is would you move to the upper tier of the North Stand?
Seems like last time 1894 tried to organise a home end after the South Stand was extended most just couldn't be arsed moving.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Maybe the club is not particularly motivated to evolve the atmosphere via a dedicated singing section

 

[Eccles Blue]

MANCHESTER CITY THE BEST TEAM IN THE LAND AND ALL THE WORLD.

 

[remember arthur mann]

The club accommodated the south standers with a lopsided stadium because they wanted a singing wall. Hence the two storey ,not symmetrical three. They also changed the design to improve the acoustics and also put in safe standing seats to accommodate the same. Having got what they wanted, they now say they are not moving because, they are The South Stand.

 

[Manchester33]

You have missed the modern trend of spending most of the match, offering the away supporters out and watching them more then the game.

This is why a lot would be reluctant to move!

You say modern - but that’s been a crucial part of the atmosphere at City going back to the Kippax (when the most vocal support was right next to the away fans).

Tribalism in football is a big thing and ‘banter’ with away fans is good IMO.

 

[jrb]

I think only City have their singing sections, or what you would call the home ends, either side of the away fans in the PL. United’s, Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s, Tottenham’s, Chelsea’s, Everton’s, etc home ends are all on the other side of their grounds from the away end. When the North stand opens up, we will finally have a similar setup at the Etihad.

It’s pretty much the same in the other divisions and across Europe. Were the exception, rather then the rule.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Genuine question to all the atmosphere moaners is would you move to the upper tier of the North Stand?
Seems like last time 1894 tried to organise a home end after the South Stand was extended most just couldn't be arsed moving.

I’m intending to buy three season tickets for me and my boys, and my mate and his two sons would move with us. But not if it’s just another stand.

 

[dadnlad]

I dont get it the club couldn't care less about atmosphere in ground never mind the new stand
As long as majority of seats are sold it just appeasement

 

[Corky]

The club accommodated the south standers with a lopsided stadium because they wanted a singing wall. Hence the two storey ,not symmetrical three. They also changed the design to improve the acoustics and also put in safe standing seats to accommodate the same. Having got what they wanted, they now say they are not moving because, they are The South Stand.

The 2 tier allowed to be put more under it than 3 tiers would, that is why the design really happened that way.

The higher roof doesn't improve acoustics.

The North Stand is still the Family Stand for in Level 0 and front of Level 1, which is where I would want to go. Not moving the Family Stand is the right thing to do for its occupants, but I wouldn't want to be the distance away from the the pitch that the new GA seats are.

Any "singing wall" starts from the front.

 

[Centurions]

I dont get it the club couldn't care less about atmosphere in ground never mind the new stand
As long as majority of seats are sold it just appeasement

That's just bollocks I'm afraid.

 

[jrb]

The club accommodated the south standers with a lopsided stadium because they wanted a singing wall. Hence the two storey ,not symmetrical three. They also changed the design to improve the acoustics and also put in safe standing seats to accommodate the same. Having got what they wanted, they now say they are not moving because, they are The South Stand.

Having got what they/we wanted?

Another person making it up as they go along and blaming a section of our support.

Nothing was accommodated for people on SSL1, 111 and 110.

Everything the club did was because the club wanted to do it.

If people don't want to move to the new NSL2, that's their choice.

I stand on SSL1, block 115, row 25. Why would I want to stand at the back of NSL2. I already stand in a singing section. On top of that I like where I stand. I know the people around me. The bar at the back of the SS is great. And I go home directly opposite the SS after the match.

 

[richards30]

That's just bollocks I'm afraid.

Agreed! Some posters will just never be happy! We have an owner spending ANOTHER £300m plus which yes, will bring the club money and make money but not for many years! If it’s not what someone wants it to be then they complain about it. People talk about European atmospheres but the stewards in English football are WAY tougher than European grounds for home teams? Allowing flares, flags all game, standing up etc?