North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

jrb said:
Having got what they/we wanted?

Another person making it up as they go along and blaming a section of our support.

Nothing was accommodated for people on SSL1, 111 and 110.

Everything the club did was because the club wanted to do it.

If people don't want to move to the new NSL2, that's their choice.

I stand on SSL1, block 115, row 25. Why would I want to stand at the back of NSL2. I already stand in a singing section. On top of that I like where I stand. I know the people around me. The bar at the back of the SS is great. And I go home directly opposite the SS after the match.
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Couldn't agree more regarding NSL2. If you want a singing wall, it must be in the middle, front to back. Not at the back and side, it's daft.
 
Corky said:
The 2 tier allowed to be put more under it than 3 tiers would, that is why the design really happened that way.

The higher roof doesn't improve acoustics.

The North Stand is still the Family Stand for in Level 0 and front of Level 1, which is where I would want to go. Not moving the Family Stand is the right thing to do for its occupants, but I wouldn't want to be the distance away from the the pitch that the new GA seats are.

Any "singing wall" starts from the front.
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The 2 tier was what was asked for (or perhaps a single tier so a bit of a compromise as the entire end wasn't shut down for construction). It also allows them to tie in the hotel better re. the Sky Bar and the pich side suites.

I can't see reference to a "higher roof" so not sure why you mention it. It's not higher than the south stand regardless but is vastly (massively, in fact) more suited to retaining the noise and directing it at the pitch. The sides add to this. This should be self evident to anyone.

The "family stand" doesn't seem to really be a thing anymore as time has seen it diluted around the stadium.

The GA seats start from the front of tier 1 (new money), so the same distance as the front of the south stand tier 1.

"Any "singing wall" starts from the front.", how do you come to that conclusion and why wouldn't it apply to the NS tier 1 anyway?
 
jrb said:
Having got what they/we wanted?

Another person making it up as they go along and blaming a section of our support.

Nothing was accommodated for people on SSL1, 111 and 110.

Everything the club did was because the club wanted to do it.

If people don't want to move to the new NSL2, that's their choice.

I stand on SSL1, block 115, row 25. Why would I want to stand at the back of NSL2. I already stand in a singing section. On top of that I like where I stand. I know the people around me. The bar at the back of the SS is great. And I go home directly opposite the SS after the match.
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I said this near the start and got shouted down for it, I know of about 5 people (out of probably 60 I know personally in SS) that are planning/want to move to new NS as they want to be near the away fans.

I do fear it isn't going to work whatsoever.
 
Corky said:
The 2 tier allowed to be put more under it than 3 tiers would, that is why the design really happened that way.

The higher roof doesn't improve acoustics.

The North Stand is still the Family Stand for in Level 0 and front of Level 1, which is where I would want to go. Not moving the Family Stand is the right thing to do for its occupants, but I wouldn't want to be the distance away from the the pitch that the new GA seats are.

Any "singing wall" starts from the front.
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Latterly, the singing at Maine Rd was concentrated at R Block at the back of the North Stand right under the roof.

A roof should reflect the sound energy back to the crowd preventing it from dissipating but it might also lead to distortion where some frequencies are reinforced and some are destroyed. It follows then that it would be easier to start a singing wall from the back.
 
Marvin. said:
Latterly, the singing at Maine Rd was concentrated at R Block at the back of the North Stand right under the roof.

A roof should reflect the sound energy back to the crowd preventing it from dissipating but it might also lead to distortion where some frequencies are reinforced and some are destroyed. It follows then that it would be easier to start a singing wall from the back.
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That was a fairly small 1 tier stand so R was close to the pitch.

S T U was the away section, hence why R was popular for vocal fans.
 
Corky said:
That was a fairly small 1 tier stand so R was close to the pitch.

S T U was the away section, hence why R was popular for vocal fans.
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I had a season ticket in R. R was next to the away fans at the top of the NS. Loved it. Plenty of songs were started by the fans in R. One of the singers was nicknamed Gravel, as he had a gravel voice when he started the chants off. Another lad was nicknamed narcolepsy bloke as he kept on falling asleep during the match. He must have had a night shift job. There were some real characters in R. Great times.
 
Centurions said:
Are seated fans not allowed to sing then?
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No. If you are seated, under 18, over 25, part of any family, have any type of mobility or bodily needs, prepared to pay more for access to a bar, or there is fewer than 3000 of you, it is 90 minutes of utter silence for you!

Now where do we find 12,000 single orphaned fully fit 18-25 year olds with an income of no more than 11k a year and piles, to make this blue wall and actually have some atmosphere!
 
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jrb said:
I think only City have their singing sections, or what you would call the home ends, either side of the away fans in the PL. United’s, Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s, Tottenham’s, Chelsea’s, Everton’s, etc home ends are all on the other side of their grounds from the away end. When the North stand opens up, we will finally have a similar setup at the Etihad.

It’s pretty much the same in the other divisions and across Europe. Were the exception, rather then the rule.
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@jrb & @Manchester33, the lower south stand and Kippax corner need to move to the new North Stand to help create a home end. We need the 1894 to speak to the club now, along with City Matters, to demand change to the set-up of the North Stand before everything changes for the worse

The 1894 and City Matters fought for change last season and made the chairman come out with these hollow words

As Khaldoon said this "This is a relationship built on trust between the fans and the club, and that trust comes both ways. And I think this issue on ticketing is no doubt some that has, I am not okay with the way it played out. I think the management team is working very closely with City Matters, addressing and understanding the issues that are key to solving any issues, you have to understand what the issues are, and you have to really constructively speak and try to work it out. What I am sure about, and this message comes out loud and clear, is that the relationship of trust between the fans and the club is the foundation of the success and sustainability of this club, and we know that and we appreciate that deeply. These conversations with City Matters and our fans will continue, and we will try to find solutions to always address some of the challenges in a way that is fair for everyone. Some announcements have been made so far but there is more to come we're going to work We're going to work hard together to find the optimal solutions that work for everyone

We need you to do the same to get a proper North Stand a BLUE WALL

Just now, in the post above, it's coming over as more bothered about winding up away fans than creating a proper atmosphere

A fellow Blue Moon forum member posted this about the acoustics at the stadium

"What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low-level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* More rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* The location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap-around sides, will allow the sound to boom out.
*The inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*The small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to the atmosphere once the match has started.
* In recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere."

The North Stand should be a vocal home with no GA+ sections. The Sky Bar should be the only GA+ section

We could also tell the club to ram their plans for City Hall, imagine 1800 vocal City fans in City Hall singing away before a game, then moving into their vocal home end, the same as what Spurs have done with their South Stand

A BLUE WALL
 
LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb & @Manchester33, the lower south stand and Kippax corner need to move to the new North Stand to help create a home end. We need the 1894 to speak to the club now, along with City Matters, to demand change to the set-up of the North Stand before everything changes for the worse

The 1894 and City Matters fought for change last season and made the chairman come out with these hollow words

As Khaldoon said this "This is a relationship built on trust between the fans and the club, and that trust comes both ways. And I think this issue on ticketing is no doubt some that has, I am not okay with the way it played out. I think the management team is working very closely with City Matters, addressing and understanding the issues that are key to solving any issues, you have to understand what the issues are, and you have to really constructively speak and try to work it out. What I am sure about, and this message comes out loud and clear, is that the relationship of trust between the fans and the club is the foundation of the success and sustainability of this club, and we know that and we appreciate that deeply. These conversations with City Matters and our fans will continue, and we will try to find solutions to always address some of the challenges in a way that is fair for everyone. Some announcements have been made so far but there is more to come we're going to work We're going to work hard together to find the optimal solutions that work for everyone

We need you to do the same to get a proper North Stand a BLUE WALL

Just now, in the post above, it's coming over as more bothered about winding up away fans than creating a proper atmosphere

A fellow Blue Moon forum member posted this about the acoustics at the stadium

"What will be better for the atmosphere? One large North Stand or a small, split, low-level South Stand?

Can we put aside who said what, to who and when or who hasn`t said what and could do. Leave the history behind and deal with the here and now.

If the primary objective is atmosphere generation, then locating to the extended North Stand is the only logical conclusion.

New North Stand - Large level 2

* a complete, large end for the first time.
* 3000 (minimum) rail seats for singers.
* More rail seats can be added down both sides.
* General Admission (GA) seating who will naturally join in as the rear and the side standing will envelop the GA.
* The location higher up, closer to the roof, with wrap-around sides, will allow the sound to boom out.
*The inclusion of GA+ seating has no impact on any of the above.
*The small numbers to be displaced from existing seats have the good option to move, with family and friends, to better seats for the same price. They will not be disadvantaged and could be better placed.

South Stand (SS) - Small Level 1

* too small
* too low down
* one of the worst locations to generate a noise
* concrete overhang at the rear underneath SS2 deadens sound.
* split in part on either side of away fans
* displays are effective for a short time pre-match. They contribute nothing to the atmosphere once the match has started.
* In recent years, overall, the atmosphere from SS1 has been usually fair to middling, occasionally good, but can definitely be better.
* 2 levels of the SS are often entirely allocated to away fans in cup games. They usually dominate the noise in cup games.

The new North Stand provides the opportunity for a complete, large end for the first time. It offers the best chance of an improved atmosphere."

The North Stand should be a vocal home with no GA+ sections. The Sky Bar should be the only GA+ section

We could also tell the club to ram their plans for City Hall, imagine 1800 vocal City fans in City Hall singing away before a game, then moving into their vocal home end, the same as what Spurs have done with their South Stand

A BLUE WALL
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The rail seats and the opportunities are all there and provided, not sure what you are so angry with the club for, Up to fans now to take advantage and make it happen. The 500 City Hall thing in the back of level 1 is completely irrellevant to any of it. If fans don't move to it for whatever reasons then in my opinion it's the fans missing the opportunity and the fans that will be stuck with the outcome.
 
Centurions said:
Are seated fans not allowed to sing then?
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Of course they sing.

As you know very well, fans who stand tend to sing more than fans who sit. Fans who sit tend to watch the match more and don't sing as much.

The vast majority of the chants at the Etihad are started by fans who stand on SSL1, 111, 110, and at the back of SSL3. NSL1 do start songs off at that end of the ground. If it's a big match and City are winning, the whole of the Etihad does join in with the singing, including doing the Poznan, but that's rather the exception than the rule.
 
blueparrot said:
The rail seats and the opportunities are all there and provided, not sure what you are so angry with the club for, Up to fans now to take advantage and make it happen. The 500 City Hall thing in the back of level 1 is completely irrellevant to any of it. If fans don't move to it for whatever reasons then in my opinion it's the fans missing the opportunity and the fans that will be stuck with the outcome.
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Yep, at the moment, the only GA+ seats are at the back of tier 0 (new money) and will be under the overhang of tier 1 and won't affect anything. As they've stated no fans will be moved in tier 1 for the Cross Bar it looks like the original plans for a GA+ section at the front of tier 1 has been kicked into touch. Perhaps there'll be a small block further back in the new seats (just behind the hoardings as of now) but if so they'll be between the 2 exits shown on the sectional below as the lower exit will be needed for access to the bar and they'll be a very small number I think. Presumably, the row for ambulants will be in there somewhere too.

That gives the seats and safe standing from the higher of the exits up and to either side for a vocal home crowd. That roof will work brilliantly for sound.

Edit: if it works as intended, I can see the safe standing coming all the way down to the higher exit in the future.

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SiMCFC said:
I said this near the start and got shouted down for it, I know of about 5 people (out of probably 60 I know personally in SS) that are planning/want to move to new NS as they want to be near the away fans.

I do fear it isn't going to work whatsoever.
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You say to be near the away fans, but in reality that’s pretty much 2/3 small blocks (ss1) next the away section.

Also we have plenty of singers around the ground, why would we just be relying on people moving from the south stand.

Chelsea, United, spurs, Arsenal, villa and plenty of others have two singing ends
 
LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb & @Manchester33, the lower south stand and Kippax corner need to move to the new North Stand to help create a home end. We need the 1894 to speak to the club now, along with City Matters, to demand change to the set-up of the North Stand before everything changes for the worse
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I don’t agree. As I’ve said above, we have more than enough fans to fill two singing ends. Why would we destroy what we have in the south stand currently?
 
blueparrot said:
The rail seats and the opportunities are all there and provided, not sure what you are so angry with the club for, Up to fans now to take advantage and make it happen. The 500 City Hall thing in the back of level 1 is completely irrellevant to any of it. If fans don't move to it for whatever reasons then in my opinion it's the fans missing the opportunity and the fans that will be stuck with the outcome.
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I'm happy with the club on the pitch, but who is behind all these crazy ideas off it? regarding tickets, etc. They seem to be going the opposite way from what the chairman said at the end of last season.

The club should have just left the stand to be home end, instead, they tried to shoehorn stupid things into the stand like GA+ when they have the sky bar area, leave the rest of the stand to be a BLUE WALL

The other sad fact is that there is no way of contacting the club. There are a lot of angry fans out there at the moment about what is happening
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
You say to be near the away fans, but in reality that’s pretty much 2/3 small blocks (ss1) next the away section.

Also we have plenty of singers around the ground, why would we just be relying on people moving from the south stand.

Chelsea, United, spurs, Arsenal, villa and plenty of others have two singing ends
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I agree, but my point is, there are a few on here who are quite vocal in that they now won't move to the new end as they don't want to be at the back, fair enough.

There are also a fair few who enjoy the banter with the away fans so won't move from the corner of East and the first few blocks of SS Level 1,2,3.

Primarily these are the loudest sections (from where I sit) so without them moving I don't think it's going to be the passionate home end people want. I do genuinely hope i'm wrong. I'm in CB Level 3 and it's like a library for 90% of games unfortunately but I want to sit with my Old Man and he won't sit anywhere else as the view is so good.
 
I wouldn't mind being in the new stand to be closer to the metrolink stop. Have there been any suggestions or information on the supporter relocation part of this very large project?
 
LEXSTARproject said:
I'm happy with the club on the pitch, but who is behind all these crazy ideas off it? regarding tickets, etc. They seem to be going the opposite way from what the chairman said at the end of last season.

The club should have just left the stand to be home end, instead, they tried to shoehorn stupid things into the stand like GA+ when they have the sky bar area, leave the rest of the stand to be a BLUE WALL

The other sad fact is that there is no way of contacting the club. There are a lot of angry fans out there at the moment about what is happening
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The few GA+ seats don’t make the slightest difference to anything. The North stand will be a blue wall if the fans make it so , down to fans. Any groups of fans wanting to move to the new stand and stand or sit together can contact the club and make arrangements.
 
SiMCFC said:
I agree, but my point is, there are a few on here who are quite vocal in that they now won't move to the new end as they don't want to be at the back, fair enough.

There are also a fair few who enjoy the banter with the away fans so won't move from the corner of East and the first few blocks of SS Level 1,2,3.

Primarily these are the loudest sections (from where I sit) so without them moving I don't think it's going to be the passionate home end people want. I do genuinely hope i'm wrong. I'm in CB Level 3 and it's like a library for 90% of games unfortunately but I want to sit with my Old Man and he won't sit anywhere else as the view is so good.
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Fair enough. From where I sit the loudest part of the ground, when it gets going is ss3 and they aren’t obsessed with the away fans in there.

We regularly have large away sections all stood up, Wembley for example is usually the entire bottom tier. We have more than enough fans who want to create an atmosphere, it’s all about pricing and making that end the home end in my opinion
 
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