The Labour Government

Vic said:
"Cheap labour facilitates labour intensive roles which absolutely reduces UK productivity". Not if it enables a firm to start up and produce something that wasn't being produced before.

Test question: are Just Eat and Deliveroo good for UK productivity?
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No. They are contributing to an explosion in obesity and ill health which is badly impacting the UK workforce and finances :-)
 
I don't mind paying higher taxes as long as I can I see where it's going too.

At the moment it will go direct to Mitie/Serco/Vinci or another hedge fund awarded billion pounds contracts to run public services in various sectors and providing the workers in said areas a couple of million budget to do it whilst constantly demanding cuts to inflate their dividends.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I don't mind paying higher taxes as long as I can I see where it's going too.

At the moment it will go direct to Mitie/Serco/Vinci or another hedge fund awarded billion pounds contracts to run public services in various sectors and providing the workers in said areas a couple of million budget to do it whilst constantly demanding cuts to inflate their dividends.
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It astonishes me that in a democratic country, the electorate don't have the means to go on a website to see exactly where their money is going and who it is going to in an easy to read system and graph.

It would eliminate a lot of the bickering between the parties on any of the money issues and would allow the public to decipher fully and question any parties ambitions of changing the spending.

Any money investigated or caught off the books should equal a permanent expulsion from that party ever getting back into power with it's leaders put in a courtroom for trials of corruption and treason.
 
Gorbachev said:
It astonishes me that in a democratic country, the electorate don't have the means to go on a website to see exactly where their money is going and who it is going to in an easy to read system and graph.

It would eliminate a lot of the bickering between the parties on any of the money issues and would allow the public to decipher fully and question any parties ambitions of changing the spending.

Any money investigated or caught off the books should equal a permanent expulsion from that party ever getting back into power with it's leaders put in a courtroom for trials of corruption and treason.
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I'd support this.

However as MPs on all sides take donations from these hedgefunds I'd be surprised if they'd ever vote for it to happen.
 
Gorbachev said:
It astonishes me that in a democratic country, the electorate don't have the means to go on a website to see exactly where their money is going and who it is going to in an easy to read system and graph.

It would eliminate a lot of the bickering between the parties on any of the money issues and would allow the public to decipher fully and question any parties ambitions of changing the spending.

Any money investigated or caught off the books should equal a permanent expulsion from that party ever getting back into power with it's leaders put in a courtroom for trials of corruption and treason.
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Well there kind of is, but it doesn't break it down to a low level its at best chunks of 0.5Bn. Trying to dig any further down is difficult. Some might say beyond that point its in the noise on a national scale but if we use the silly analogy, that politicians love of a countries spending and income being like that of a household, taking care of the pennies (tens of millions), might just help.
 
stan bowles said:
So every time she trots out the line "The last 14 years...", she really means 13 years of Conservative Governments and 1 year of Labour. Just wish she'd be honest with people - the economy is in a total mess and taxes are going up.
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I think you're being a bit pedantic. We all know it was 14 years of Tory lead shit. But admittedly her script writer need a talking to.
 
TinFoilHat said:
If true Reeves has arbitrated anything over £45,000 is not a working wage I suspect my train driving colleagues will be pissed off when they get taxed on their last pay rise.
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A junior doctor also isnt on a working wage, neither are many senior qualified teachers or teachers who take on extra responsibility. Its messy divisive wording and stems from their ever shifting definition of a working person.
 
Kompany Car said:
A junior doctor also isnt on a working wage, neither are many senior qualified teachers or teachers who take on extra responsibility. Its messy divisive wording and stems from their ever shifting definition of a working person.
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And no doubt it'll be further arbitrated as the years go by.
 
Kompany Car said:
Well there kind of is, but it doesn't break it down to a low level its at best chunks of 0.5Bn. Trying to dig any further down is difficult. Some might say beyond that point its in the noise on a national scale but if we use the silly analogy, that politicians love of a countries spending and income being like that of a household, taking care of the pennies (tens of millions), might just help.
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Agree.

It's the sub £500m amounts though that are of most concern for corruption.

Some councils in particular have quite a bit to answer for as to where they have spent their allocated money.
 
BTH said:
You are correct. I am absolutely ideologically opposed to privatisation.

What's more surprising is that you think concentrating the power and might of formerly nationally owned companies into the hands of a small group of people is a good idea, especially given that the government has to bail these companies out when it inevitably goes pear-shaped!

You'll find that most "first world" nations have flag carrying airlines. We are no different; call it soft power if you like.

Rolls Royce is owned by BMW these days but it makes some sense for any government to have a hand in an important military hardware supplier.
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It’s possible to make a case for the government to have its hand in pretty much most things, it doesn’t mean they should. Nor does it mean they never should, for example after WW2 or the financial crisis it made sense to nationalise certain things for a while.
 
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