The Labour Government

The Future’s Blue! said:
Seen a little of the interview on Sky and they allowed him to speak and praised the move in their after-chat.

This move is good for our country and should be debated as so. But the likes of LBC will always take a contrarian view, it suits their listeners.
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Well certainly their listeners from 0700-1000. After that it gets a bit more balanced.
 
metalblue said:
Wherever it came from it was enough for Starmer to apologise to Streeting

news.sky.com

PM apologises to Streeting after 'Traitors' row

Downing Street went on the attack to ward off potential challenges to the prime minister's leadership - with Wes Streeting identified as a possible threat. The health secretary wasn't impressed with the claims when he spoke to Sky News.
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Another apology….
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
They’re choking the economy. More tax rises will just make it worse, they need to address spending instead, unfortunately the party just won’t let them do what is right.
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I agree. Now for the list of those that we're prepared to make worse off... I'll let you start..
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
They’re choking the economy. More tax rises will just make it worse, they need to address spending instead, unfortunately the party just won’t let them do what is right.
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There’s absolutely nothing left to cut, that’s why even the Tories admitted that we are at a precipice WRT public services. Infrastructure falling down, the justice system collapsing, Defence on its arse, so on, son. There’s very little left to cut and we need to rectify it before it is too late.
 
The complete inadequacy of all politicians for the last 10 years (maybe more) will be studied by future generations. The complete hash that's been made of two significant majorities in the last 5 years is astounding really. I'm no fan of Boris Johnson who ultimately dug his own grave, but at least he had COVID as an excuse. Starmer and Reeves seem to be remarkably unsuited for the job..

This is from someone who's always been a left leaving centrist too, so you'd imagine they'd be right up my street.
 
Dazzle84 said:
The complete inadequacy of all politicians for the last 10 years (maybe more) will be studied by future generations. The complete hash that's been made of two significant majorities in the last 5 years is astounding really. I'm no fan of Boris Johnson who ultimately dug his own grave, but at least he had COVID as an excuse. Starmer and Reeves seem to be remarkably unsuited for the job..

This is from someone who's always been a left leaving centrist too, so you'd imagine they'd be right up my street.
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How was C19 an excuse for the Pincher affair, partys, selling the nation a Brexit pup, appointing the son of a KGB to the House of Lords.....?
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
Start with the millions who believe the state owes them a living without having to work.
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I’d start with the employers who believe the state should pay half of their employees wages.
To be fair that’s effectively what they did with the increase in employers NI, and the employers haven’t stopped squealing about it since.
 
hampshireblue said:
How was C19 an excuse for the Pincher affair, partys, selling the nation a Brexit pup, appointing the son of a KGB to the House of Lords.....?
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Not at all. I said I'm no fan of his at all and I think he was particularly unsuited to the job. I probably should have been clearer - he was terrible.

The point I'm trying to make is that Starmer and Reeves seem to be creating their own traps and they're making an absolute shit show of a huge opportunity
 
west didsblue said:
I’d start with the employers who believe the state should pay half of their employees wages.
To be fair that’s effectively what they did with the increase in employers NI, and the employers haven’t stopped squealing about it since.
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The state doesn’t pay anyone’s wages at our firm part or otherwise, why did we get lumbered with the NI increase, which made sure we didn’t employ anymore people.
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
They’re choking the economy. More tax rises will just make it worse, they need to address spending instead, unfortunately the party just won’t let them do what is right.
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No more crime commissioners no more NHS England,18- 20,000 NHS management jobs gone. Think they are looking at or getting rid of other quangos. Minor change to welfare, slight cut to winter fuel
 
i kne albert davy said:
The state doesn’t pay anyone’s wages at our firm part or otherwise, why did we get lumbered with the NI increase, which made sure we didn’t employ anymore people.
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Not directly but if anyone is on any income support benefits due to low wages they kinda of are hopefully this is now basically at an end with the higher minimum wage but given the cost of living and the companies passing the higher wages on in higher prices and the housing crisis probably not yet.

Yet despite the logic of higher wages lower benefits bill lower taxes eventually business having stopped moaning about it
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
There’s absolutely nothing left to cut, that’s why even the Tories admitted that we are at a precipice WRT public services. Infrastructure falling down, the justice system collapsing, Defence on its arse, so on, son. There’s very little left to cut and we need to rectify it before it is too late.
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They did get £74m back from the Rachman like Hotel owners who are accommodating illegals. Unfortunately this only represented 2 weeks of hospitality. So the cost of housing these so called asylum seekers is £1.924 billion pounds per annum.
 
Gray said:
They did get £74m back from the Rachman like Hotel owners who are accommodating illegals. Unfortunately this only represented 2 weeks of hospitality. So the cost of housing these so called asylum seekers is £1.924 billion pounds per annum.
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It didn't take long did it? OK so we put your "illegals" in tents in a field and save £2bn minus set up costs, staff, security (oh, and the field is at the end of your street) . Where's the rest coming from? Who do you want to see worse off, pensioners, the very poor, the very rich, workers, those out of work, the poorly? Because from what I can see all of those groups are untouchable for various reasons.

What I'm saying is none of this is easy and will impact groups far beyond those that we initally think may/should/could be affected.
 
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