The Labour Government

[hilts]

It does improve lives.

My Deliveroo delivery times have been noticibly halved in recent months. Though why a doctor would choose to deliver Maccy D's for a living perplexes me. :D

Typical alright jack attitude, I quit the vapes and kebabs at just the wrong time.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Given the lack of appetite from anyone (including the Green deputy leader) to have a hotel housing asylum seekers a stones throw away from their own homes, I don't see how the government can pretend everything is just fine and dandy.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Fixing? That's a leap fella.

Far more than the Tories did in 14 years.

 

[hilts]

Far more than the Tories did in 14 years.

So not fixing then really.

 

[mosssideblue]

of course-but 20 years?!!

all Labour are doing by constantly talking about 'illegal' immigration is push the reform narrative.

we cannot forget that brexit then the Tories deliberate policy to build a back log of claimants so that they could blame them for their failures has led us here.

'illegal' migration is still a tiny percentage compared to legal migration-changing the right to claim citizenship from 5 to 20 years is appalling and wont help anything.

most people want labour to focus on what will actually improve people's lives not continually blaming the 'other' because if they keep doing that we might as well just get to the end game and hand over the country to farage (trump) and watch him and his mates strip the country bare.

Labour have to push illegal immigration as a headline because Froggy and his team of muppets have sewn division in the country by making it their flagship policy. TV and media have made this much worse by giving them a platform to pollute.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Labour have to push illegal immigration as a headline because Froggy and his team of muppets have sewn division in the country by making it their flagship policy. TV and media have made this much worse by giving them a platform to pollute.

They don’t. They should ignore the debate, get on with clearing the backlog, shut the hotels and then the mob won’t have any buildings to congregate and shout at.

 

[hilts]

Labour have to push illegal immigration as a headline because Froggy and his team of muppets have sewn division in the country by making it their flagship policy. TV and media have made this much worse by giving them a platform to pollute.

They haven't sown division they have used division to their advantage. Just like the Tories and labour have done for years, pick your side and blame the other lot.
Its just seems really unfair and wrong when its not your side doing it.

The reality is there is a problem with illegal immigration and immigration in general
There is a problem with lack of funding of public services.
There is a problem with waste in public services
There is a problem with the rich earning too much
There is a problem with too many people not working

It goes on and on.......

Politicians can't say all that though because who are they then representing?

They just try and get enough demographic groups to get them over the line. The polls show that shrugging your shoulders on asylum and immigration in general means you lose currently. Labour are now saying things that would get their supporters on here shouting racist.
But its their side so now its not racist its common sense concern.

A cynic would suggest the public are no better than the politicians they mock, and they would be right.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Iv believed this for years. We needed to be doing this years ago, and maybe things wouldn't have got so far right wing as they have.

But in glad they're doing something at last. And wtf Conservatives! They did nothing and we can all see it now. They've broken this country in so many places.

 

[Vic]

and what happens if you have been settled for decades-bought a house, got a career, had children....

Its just another cruel policy by labour trying to stave off reform-when all they achieve by keep talking about it is push more of the fools to choose Reform.

The 20 year thing only applies to those who come "ilegally". But I've already written to my MP:

20 years to get a right to remain? Someone here 20 years, worked here 20 years (a surgeon maybe), taxed without representation, kids in university or working, then a regime change in a war torn country makes their homeland "safe"...

So that's Sigmund Freud, Freddie Mercury, and the Millibands' father who'd have been sent back...

 

[metalblue]

There clearly is a plan to invest more improve services and fill the gap in finances. That might not be much of vision or ideology but it’s more than just fill the blackhole.

I don’t think that graphic tells us anything who produced it ? What policies led to the increase in spending attributed to those areas that were choices ? Was it only public sector pay increases ? Try running the country with them on strike ? What would that have cost ? Can they really be classed as a choice ?

You clearly see something I don’t regarding plans - identifying problems is the “easy” bit, fixing them much harder but it is the job they signed up for.

Perhaps this explains part of their problem

The Guardian view on 10 Downing Street: not up to the job | Editorial

Editorial: The Labour leadership briefing furore highlights failures at the centre of government. Keir Starmer needs to raise his game

www.theguardian.com

The graph clearly showed who is responsible for what. It doesn’t matter if we agree with the public sector pay increases or not, it was money spent that wasn’t budgeted for, therefore it contributed to the black hole - and some things they did reduced it else it would have been worse.

 

[metalblue]

The 20 year thing only applies to those who come "ilegally". But I've already written to my MP:

20 years to get a right to remain? Someone here 20 years, worked here 20 years (a surgeon maybe), taxed without representation, kids in university or working, then a regime change in a war torn country makes their homeland "safe"...

So that's Sigmund Freud, Freddie Mercury, and the Millibands' father who'd have been sent back...

How many surgeons are claiming asylum? I suspect surgeons are probably coming on a visa.

I hope you didn’t use the surgeon example in your letter!

 

[mosssideblue]

They don’t. They should ignore the debate, get on with clearing the backlog, shut the hotels and then the mob won’t have any buildings to congregate and shout at.

They are clearing the backlog and tackling closing the hotels, but the media bias fuelled by Kermit et al are still instilling division amongst us

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They are clearing the backlog and tackling closing the hotels, but the media bias fuelled by Kermit et al are still instilling division amongst us

Absolutely. It’s very easy to be negative about everything.

We need a modicum of positivity to break out, but that doesn’t create as many clicks, so we’re in a perpetual spiral of hatred.

Hatred solves nothing.

 

[WRicko]

You clearly see something I don’t regarding plans - identifying problems is the “easy” bit, fixing them much harder but it is the job they signed up for.

Perhaps this explains part of their problem

The Guardian view on 10 Downing Street: not up to the job | Editorial

Editorial: The Labour leadership briefing furore highlights failures at the centre of government. Keir Starmer needs to raise his game

www.theguardian.com

The graph clearly showed who is responsible for what. It doesn’t matter if we agree with the public sector pay increases or not, it was money spent that wasn’t budgeted for, therefore it contributed to the black hole - and some things they did reduced it else it would have been worse.

What exactly would constitute a plan or vision ? If not Planning reform ? Renters rights ? Employment rights ? Investing more in services ?More public and private investment ? More NHS training places ? GB energy ? AI Zones ? Defense review and Defense industrial Strategy ? Industrial strategy ?

The pay rise was built in but not budgeted for by the last lot labour came in and went ahead with it the alternative was strike that in the NHS last time cost more than the savings in only a few moths. Plus wasn't it earned and needed given inflation What would you have done ?

 

[Vic]

You’re in an ever decreasing minority.

Not true.

Quite big majorities for not sending people "home" - in the following categories (which would be most asylum seekers).

People who are in full time work and paying taxes

People who have lived in Britain for over ten years

People who are working in the NHS

People who are married to a British citizen

People who have set up businesses in the UK

People who have children who are British citizens

People who are retired

What do Britons really think about scrapping indefinite leave to remain? | YouGov

Ending the granting of ILR divides the public – and most are opposed to removing it from those who already hold it

yougov.co.uk

 

[Vic]

Do you really believe that people who have been here just shy of 20 years will be forcibly removed from the UK if conditions change in their home country?

I find that very doubtful, personally. I think a lot of genuine asylum seekers who have been forced to leave their country because they are opposed to a particularly unpleasant regime would want to move back when they can anyway. I friend of mine is Iranian and I suspect he would want to go back if the current regime fell.

But I very much doubt that type of economic migrants currently clogging up the asylum system would be deterred by only being granted a ‘temporary’ stay. Even if they have to reapply every couple of years, I suspect they’d still see it as worthwhile.

Most refugees are in the nearest safe place to their homeland because they do want to go home.

 

[Vic]

It very much depends on the process. If it’s all driven by a right to stay / work through a visa with an expiry date then it’s pretty straightforward - if you want to stay follow the application process if you don’t you’ll be going home.

Regardless of this being the most important issue or not it needs reform and Mahmood has got some ideas on how that can happen and quite frankly, at least on the surface, far better than anything that I’ve heard from anyone else.

It will become clearer tomorrow.

It will become clearer at the next meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

 

[Vic]

There is a certain logic to it that being said

Would you wait 20 Years before you fall in love have kids etc ?

And you don’t think this might also have a negative affect on how well they integrate in terms of jobs friends family incase they have to leave ? And how will that affect the economy and society

Exactly. So much for expecting people to "assimilate".

 

[i kne albert davy]

you do understand that France take far more asylum seekers than this country?

Do they take more than double with it being more than double the size ?

 

[Vic]

Given the lack of appetite from anyone (including the Green deputy leader) to have a hotel housing asylum seekers a stones throw away from their own homes, I don't see how the government can pretend everything is just fine and dandy.

No-one is. But there's a right way and a wrong way to deal with what's a global crisis.