The Labour Government

[hilts]

There is a certain logic to it that being said

Would you wait 20 Years before you fall in love have kids etc ?

And you don’t think this might also have a negative affect on how well they integrate in terms of jobs friends family incase they have to leave ? And how will that affect the economy and society

Whether the politicians admit it or not the only way to curb numbers is to make the UK an unappealing destination.
I think anyone balanced who saw the recent investigation by the BBC into the black market shenanigans would admit there is a problem.
Until people accept there are genuine and fraudulent people entering the country rather than fighting for 'a side' the shit show in politics will continue. We know who is currently winning the battle though.

 

[bert38]

Or decide to stay in the war torn hell hole of lawlessness and persecution that is France perhaps?

you do understand that France take far more asylum seekers than this country?

 

[bert38]

Whether the politicians admit it or not the only way to curb numbers is to make the UK an unappealing destination.
I think anyone balanced who saw the recent investigation by the BBC into the black market shenanigans would admit there is a problem.
Until people accept there are genuine and fraudulent people entering the country rather than fighting for 'a side' the shit show in politics will continue. We know who is currently winning the battle though.

of course-but 20 years?!!

all Labour are doing by constantly talking about 'illegal' immigration is push the reform narrative.

we cannot forget that brexit then the Tories deliberate policy to build a back log of claimants so that they could blame them for their failures has led us here.

'illegal' migration is still a tiny percentage compared to legal migration-changing the right to claim citizenship from 5 to 20 years is appalling and wont help anything.

most people want labour to focus on what will actually improve people's lives not continually blaming the 'other' because if they keep doing that we might as well just get to the end game and hand over the country to farage (trump) and watch him and his mates strip the country bare.

 

[metalblue]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Perhaps a bit early to celebrate. It certainly out manoeuvred Reform and the Tories but the left of the party won’t like it.

Coming up with, IMHO, good ideas and getting it passed are two different things. If this fails to get through then this government is surely a lame duck, the next steps being fairly obvious.

 

[hilts]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Fixing? That's a leap fella.

 

[stonerblue]

You’re in an ever decreasing minority.

And me.

 

[blueinsa]

Which part?

You believe it solves every problem in this country and that the majority applaud cruel policies?

Where have I ever said it solves every problem?

I haven’t is the answer but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an issue that deserves attention and one that should be dealt with.

 

[bert38]

Where have I ever said it solves every problem?

I haven’t is the answer but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an issue that deserves attention and one that should be dealt with.

coming up with increasingly cruel policies isnt going to fix it-neither is banging on about it all the time-because people then assume its the main and only problem-fix that that and everything's dandy.

I didn't vote for this and neither I'd imagine the majority didn't either.

Trying to out reform reform will never ever work.

 

[blueinsa]

coming up with increasingly cruel policies isnt going to fix it-neither is banging on about it all the time-because people then assume its the main and only problem-fix that that and everything's dandy.

I didn't vote for this and neither I'd imagine the majority didn't either.

We have a different definition of what constitutes cruelty when it comes to border and national security.

 

[hilts]

of course-but 20 years?!!

all Labour are doing by constantly talking about 'illegal' immigration is push the reform narrative.

we cannot forget that brexit then the Tories deliberate policy to build a back log of claimants so that they could blame them for their failures has led us here.

'illegal' migration is still a tiny percentage compared to legal migration-changing the right to claim citizenship from 5 to 20 years is appalling and wont help anything.

most people want labour to focus on what will actually improve people's lives not continually blaming the 'other' because if they keep doing that we might as well just get to the end game and hand over the country to farage (trump) and watch him and his mates strip the country bare.

Illegal immigration improves lives?

I think govts have somewhat ignored or failed to address it, I'm not sure as a policy that has worked. It cannot be ignored unless we want more and more reform councillors and MPs. Its a shit show without an obvious answer.

If the politicians dont sort it we are gonna end up in the worst situation, genuine asylum seekers going elsewhere but charlatans still entering in large numbers.

 

[metalblue]

I don’t get what your saying about the renters rights bill it’s a policy to achieve there plans for renters / fairer society or whatever you want to call it. Not sure why you missed that end step which was the logical conclusion of what you were saying and instead mentioned ideology. Ideology could be part of your plan, government X wants a conservative / Marxist / socialists society and X why or z is part the plan to achieve it.

There was a blackhole they didn’t know about in the last budget which was the fault of the last lot that had to be filled. (So your wrong ) That has nothing to do with what commentators are guessing may be in the next budget so I still don’t follow your point and your clearly don’t know since did not understand what I was saying.

As for the comments about Reeves she has more in a budget that meeting the rules. She had the tax and spend element which are designed to meet those rules.

Then there is the wider ideology behind it which is clearly a fairer society and more investment in public and private sector and higher growth that could follow from that

By the way I am not saying this lot are perfect or even have a full plan I just don’t believe they have no plan because people say so they don’t even back it up

I think we’re maybe saying the same thing, in that plans are made up of various coherent policies, those policies can be ideologically driven to an ideologically driven plan. The fundamental problem is can anyone say what the chancellors plan is? Other than to keep filling the black hole? Which isn’t a plan … it is to carry on as we are, hoping something changes.

BTW this was the breakdown of the last black hole when Labour took over government and made a few policy decisions.




As you can see about half was from the tories and the other half from Labour. So you’re wrong.

 

[Brewster's millions]

It very much depends on the process. If it’s all driven by a right to stay / work through a visa with an expiry date then it’s pretty straightforward - if you want to stay follow the application process if you don’t you’ll be going home.

Regardless of this being the most important issue or not it needs reform and Mahmood has got some ideas on how that can happen and quite frankly, at least on the surface, far better than anything that I’ve heard from anyone else.

It will become clearer tomorrow.

It strikes me as a bit of a gimmick, to be honest.

We do of course need to wait for the full detail. But the twenty year element of the plan looks like something designed to create headlines, whereas in reality it will count for nothing if people have worked during their stay, contributed to the system and eventually apply for leave to remain.

Meanwhile the pull factors attracting economic migrants, which of course is the actual issue, don’t look to be materially altered. The only way to stop the small boats is to remove people from the UK immediately as they arrive, to a third country, and process their claims there and indeed settle them elsewhere if they are granted asylum.

I’m not particularly criticising Mahmood as what she’s proposing is likely the limit (or slightly beyond) what her party will accept and these proposals do at least look like they have an element of thought to them, which can’t be said about the one in one out nonsense.

 

[west didsblue]

Regardless of this being the most important issue or not it needs reform

Glad you spelt reform with a lower case r.

 

[metalblue]

It strikes me as a bit of a gimmick, to be honest.

We do of course need to wait for the full detail. But the twenty year element of the plan looks like something designed to create headlines, whereas in reality it will count for nothing if people have worked during their stay, contributed to the system and eventually apply for leave to remain.

Meanwhile the pull factors attracting economic migrants, which of course is the actual issue, don’t look to be materially altered. The only way to stop the small boats is to remove people from the UK immediately as they arrive, to a third country, and process their claims there and indeed settle them elsewhere if they are granted asylum.

I’m not particularly criticising Mahmood as what she’s proposing is likely the limit (or slightly beyond) what her party will accept and these proposals do at least look like they have an element of thought to them, which can’t be said about the one in one out nonsense.

The left of the party won’t like it so it’s not a given this will get through.

 

[Don Karleone]

Well, at least Tiny Tommy is happy.

 

[Metal Biker]

Illegal immigration improves lives?

I think govts have somewhat ignored or failed to address it, I'm not sure as a policy that has worked. It cannot be ignored unless we want more and more reform councillors and MPs. Its a shit show without an obvious answer.

If the politicians dont sort it we are gonna end up in the worst situation, genuine asylum seekers going elsewhere but charlatans still entering in large numbers.

It does improve lives.

My Deliveroo delivery times have been noticibly halved in recent months. Though why a doctor would choose to deliver Maccy D's for a living perplexes me. :D

 

[blueinsa]

Well, at least Tiny Tommy is happy.

He won’t be long term if she gets something done.

Credit to her this morning and I for one hope she is successful with this policy as it will steal the oxygen from the likes of this **** and the other one.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Shouldn’t be pandering to “either ****” given that most won’t vote for them anyway.

Fortunately, it won’t get anywhere, just like with all the attempted draconian practises.

 

[WRicko]

I think we’re maybe saying the same thing, in that plans are made up of various coherent policies, those policies can be ideologically driven to an ideologically driven plan. The fundamental problem is can anyone say what the chancellors plan is? Other than to keep filling the black hole? Which isn’t a plan … it is to carry on as we are, hoping something changes.

BTW this was the breakdown of the last black hole when Labour took over government and made a few policy decisions.


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As you can see about half was from the tories and the other half from Labour. So you’re wrong.

There clearly is a plan to invest more improve services and fill the gap in finances. That might not be much of vision or ideology but it’s more than just fill the blackhole.

I don’t think that graphic tells us anything who produced it ? What policies led to the increase in spending attributed to those areas that were choices ? Was it only public sector pay increases ? Try running the country with them on strike ? What would that have cost ? Can they really be classed as a choice ?

 

[WRicko]

Whether the politicians admit it or not the only way to curb numbers is to make the UK an unappealing destination.
I think anyone balanced who saw the recent investigation by the BBC into the black market shenanigans would admit there is a problem.
Until people accept there are genuine and fraudulent people entering the country rather than fighting for 'a side' the shit show in politics will continue. We know who is currently winning the battle though.

Let’s have an unappealing country that sounds great.


Fraudulent people ?