The Labour Government

[Vic]

How many surgeons are claiming asylum? I suspect surgeons are probably coming on a visa.

I hope you didn’t use the surgeon example in your letter!

Fleeing Afghan Minister, Ferozuddin, Faces UK Asylum Hurdles and Anti-Migrant Protests

Former Afghan health minister Feroz Ferozuddin, a renowned surgeon and women's rights advocate, is seeking asylum in the UK. His case, rejected due to a closed resettlement scheme, highlights the challenges facing asylum seekers as he volunteers in Bournemouth amidst anti-migrant protests.

dazzlingdawn.co.uk

 

[blueinsa]

Not true.

Quite big majorities for not sending people "home" - in the following categories (which would be most asylum seekers).

People who are in full time work and paying taxes

People who have lived in Britain for over ten years

People who are working in the NHS

People who are married to a British citizen

People who have set up businesses in the UK

People who have children who are British citizens

People who are retired

What do Britons really think about scrapping indefinite leave to remain? | YouGov

Ending the granting of ILR divides the public – and most are opposed to removing it from those who already hold it

yougov.co.uk

Start a party and take it to the ballot box then if you’re so confident what I said wasn’t true.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

You said being Muslim played a part in them being elected yet the only thing you can say about them is they study on a platform about Gaza. You’re now saying they are conservative and religious but haven’t backed it up either with anything about them their voters or policies. Was Jacob Reece Mogg elected because he is a catholic ? What about Jewish MPs ? Saying that would probably be called anti semitic

What on earth are you on about. Of course it plays a part. If you have a strong connection with the Muslim community then obviously that influences voters into whether they vote for you or not. The Gaza issue again obviously plays a part in that, as we’ve seen quite a few of those MPs running on a platform of gaza being their main talking point.

“yet the only thing you can say about them is they study on a platform about Gaza.” I made one point, there’s plenty of others…let me know how many to make next time. A lot of these MPs are running mainly based around one issue.

are you saying background, policies or beliefs play no part in how those MPs or MPs in general are voted in? I know quite a few Muslims from areas like longsight/ rushholme and most of the identity/ community is built on religion and what the wider community does.

You’ve gone completed overboard/ easily offended in your reaction

 

[hampshireblue]

Absolutely. It’s very easy to be negative about everything.

We need a modicum of positivity to break out, but that doesn’t create as many clicks, so we’re in a perpetual spiral of hatred.

Hatred solves nothing.

I tried posting a few positive things a couple of weeks ago when some of the economic information was looking better. Even on here, there was zero reaction from the usual critics. It's almost like they don't want to live in a better country unless it's their own side that achieves it.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I tried posting a few positive things a couple of weeks ago when some of the economic information was looking better. Even on here, there was zero reaction from the usual critics. It's almost like they don't want to live in a better country unless it's their own side that achieves it.

Not sure it’s even that with some. Some are happy to float around voting for the protest party at each election and then are free to moan.

We British do love a good moan and voting for naming boats Boaty McBoatface will always pique the bantz people more than voting for a political party.

People are feeling less well off and are lashing out by wanting others to be worse off than them, rather than fixing the problems that make them worse off.

The need for cheaper energy prices is vastly greater than the need to dehumanise people arriving on boats, but it’s easier to tie some flags to lampposts than it is to affect change on energy companies.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

No-one is. But there's a right way and a wrong way to deal with what's a global crisis.

There is ....but some of the stuff I've read on here tonight makes me want to weep ... i honestly thought that the UK was better than this ... but obviously not

 

[moomba]

So are tough, strong immigration policies now a good thing?

Asking for those who have been called racist and bigoted for thinking like that for a bit longer than the sudden converts.

Imagine daring to question someone coming here from a safe country illegally, and asking for them to be sent back, called out for it and to now see a Labour Home Secretary say she will bring such a rule in and it barely even raising an eyebrow on here.

The home secretary's approach seems to be "look how tough I am on immigration, vote for us instead of reform"

It's quite embarassing really.

 

[Gabriel]

What has Baroness Bakewell done to offend?…

 

[bluethrunthru]

The home secretary's approach seems to be "look how tough I am on immigration, vote for us instead of reform"

It's quite embarassing really.

Trying to out Reform, Reform just will never work. Main reason being its Reform's only policy so they devote all their time and effort to it whereas Labour have to also run a country so need other policies

 

[abu13]

The home secretary's approach seems to be "look how tough I am on immigration, vote for us instead of reform"

It's quite embarassing really.

Be interesting to see if their words are backed up with actions or if it is just posturing

 

[BlueAnorak]

Being Muslim doesn’t make you an Islamic or Islamist MP in the way you seem to be saying. Are Jewish MPs MPs who are Jewish or MPs who happen to be Jewish or what about Christians ? You wouldn’t say it about these other groups and you would very quickly be called anti semitic if you did so don’t be Islamophobic

It did mean you didn't vote for Labour though

 

[threespires]

She says the "issue is tearing the country apart". Silly me I thought what was tearing the country apart was an unholy alliance of quisling populist arseholes pedalling complete bollocks, being platformed by a press and broader media that is mostly owned by people who want to keep the national dialogue away from the real reasons the economy is fucked and the nation so ill at ease with itself. Oh and a sprinkling of good old fashioned football hooliganism for good measure.

Obviously I've not been paying enough attention.

 

[urban genie]

Labour are toast, they fell for the same shit cameron did after copying his austerity model, decided to run scared of a gobshite and pander to his bullshit rather than challenge and take on.

Rachel Reeves was a distaster waiting to destroy the partys credibility amongst its core support (something I have said here for 5-6 years) and starmer is a reactionary tosser ratger than a pro-active leader.

The party purged it's loyal memeber and is left with morons and arrogant twats.

 

[blueinsa]

Labour are toast, they fell for the same shit cameron did after copying his austerity model, decided to run scared of a gobshite and pander to his bullshit rather than challenge and take on.

Rachel Reeves was a distaster waiting to destroy the partys credibility amongst its core support (something I have said here for 5-6 years) and starmer is a reactionary tosser ratger than a pro-active leader.

The party purged it's loyal memeber and is left with morons and arrogant twats.

Not a fan then? ;-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

you do understand that France take far more asylum seekers than this country?

Yes

 

[Chippy_boy]

So you wouldn’t take anyone ?

Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

 

[Vic]

Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

We can't be doing that badly if so many people can afford cars to cram the roads.

 

[Gorbachev]

Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

I've never understood why true wealth of a country isn't based on GDP per capita.

Ireland have double the GDP per capita then UK has for example.

It becomes such an easy stat for politicians to over exaggerate the actual quality of life this country has.

Just as when the big finance guys big up how well a stock market is doing when probably 90% of the population don't invest in it. Only benefits a small percentage.

 

[WRicko]

Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

That wasn’t your argument it was about France being safe under that logic we wouldn’t take anyone unless there was war in France or Ireland.

The country will probably never be rich enough etc under your above logic. Not that services etc really have much to do with asylum seekers.

Other countries with similar or far worse gdp take refugees some take far more including France Germany. Most refugees are actual in poor countries that border the country they are fleeing.

 

[WRicko]

It did mean you didn't vote for Labour though

What ?