The Labour Government

[roubaixtuesday]

It may seem from the one sided barrage from the media that the far right are currently the majority, but that's far from the case in reality

Social media is an outrage and hatred amplification engine. It's not reality.

 

[stonerblue]

He won’t be long term if she gets something done.

Credit to her this morning and I for one hope she is successful with this policy as it will steal the oxygen from the likes of this **** and the other one.

This is probably the only reason for the 'reforms'.
In my plan to 'steal their oxygen' I was gonna suggest a complete stop on immigration until the backlog is cleared. Shut the fuckers up instantly.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Labour are getting tough on migration when the Tories had 14 years to do so - they are doing this without the need to leave and rip up the ECHR and without the rhetoric of 'mass deportation now!' - It's needed and making Reform look like imbeciles.

 

[stonerblue]

And the cunts of worling age who sit in the pub all day moaning about the state of the country pissing up PIP money all day while complaining about a migrant who gets a tenner a week. Thats why you cant get a doctors appointment. Ffs

I see and hear these tossers every day. When I point out that they're conning the dss, living in councilm/he flats or private hmo's they get all but but but.

 

[hampshireblue]

I wonder who people would blame when the immigrants go, and public services are still overstretched, you still cant find an NHS dentist, the roads are still crammed and it's still next to impossible to get on the housing ladder.

Perhaps we're looking at the wrong culprits (which is exactly what they want).

Probably British citizens who look "different" to the stereotypical.

 

[hampshireblue]

Am disgusted with the performative cruelty on offer from govt.

As the thread (see comment immediately above just for instance) shows, there's no way to win this - it doesn't matter how cruel govt is, facts don't matter and the far right will always just ratchet it up more.

It's a dead end; Labour voters will go Green and Lib Dem for sanity; Reform voters will vote for full fat racism.

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Don't you realise that as some of those countries are geographically bigger than we are then it's only right that they take more ;-). In reality, it appears they do.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Don't you realise that as some of those countries are geographically bigger than we are then it's only right that they take more ;-). In reality, it appears they do.

What's geographically bigger got to do with it? Do you think refugees are living on the glaciers of the Alps? Or perhaps putting all global refugees in the Gobi desert would magically solve the problem?

Population relative, sure.

And as you point out, we're still taking fewer on those measures.

 

[Scottyboi]

Germany are pushing for the 700k plus Syrian refugees to return home now the war is over, same will happen with Ukrainians when a lasting peace is hopefully established.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Germany are pushing for the 700k plus Syrian refugees to return home now the war is over, same will happen with Ukrainians when a lasting peace is hopefully established.

Tbh I suspect that most people who have had to uproot their lives due to war and move across the world to escape it would probably really like to go back home when it's safe.

 

[hampshireblue]

What's geographically bigger got to do with it? Do you think refugees are living on the glaciers of the Alps? Or perhaps putting all global refugees in the Gobi desert would magically solve the problem?

Population relative, sure.

And as you point out, we're still taking fewer on those measures.

You missed my irony. I agree.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever

 

[Scottyboi]

Tbh I suspect that most people who have had to uproot their lives due to war and move across the world to escape it would probably really like to go back home when it's safe.

You would like to think so, Germany are looking at paying Syrians to leave.

 

[Scottyboi]

They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever

That Britain had 20 million+ less people living in it.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever

The NHS's reliance on overseas labour is worrying I think. There are the ethical issues about cherry picking skilled staff from poorer countries and enticing them here for starters. Then there's also the issue of British graduates not getting jobs as doctors and nurses because there's insufficient funding of training places. We have somehow got ourselves into a situation where we import staff "on the cheap" to prop up the NHS, and it's not a particularly comfortable or sustainable position long term

 

[Kompany Car]

They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

The skilled worker visa and health surcharge is paid by the applicant not the employer.

The employer pays for the immigration skills surcharge and the certificate of sponsorship.

Sometimes the employer picks up all of the costs but it’s by no means the norm.

 

[Blue Maverick]

We can't be doing that badly if so many people can afford cars to cram the roads.

Credit cards and massive debt that pal, how many of those these days have no tax or insurance? Lots of leashing going on as well.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Not sure it’s even that with some. Some are happy to float around voting for the protest party at each election and then are free to moan.

We British do love a good moan and voting for naming boats Boaty McBoatface will always pique the bantz people more than voting for a political party.

People are feeling less well off and are lashing out by wanting others to be worse off than them, rather than fixing the problems that make them worse off.

The need for cheaper energy prices is vastly greater than the need to dehumanise people arriving on boats, but it’s easier to tie some flags to lampposts than it is to affect change on energy companies.

That’s the main point if we all had shit loads of money, holidays and disposable income no one would give a flying fuck, unfortunately we don’t and they are an easy target, however, they are part of a bigger problem and it just can’t be ignored.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That’s the main point if we all had shit loads of money, holidays and disposable income no one would give a flying fuck, unfortunately we don’t and they are an easy target, however, they are part of a bigger problem and it just can’t be ignored.

You’d have more money if energy bills were lower. It wouldn’t just save you on heating bills, it’d save you on everything you bought as prices would come down.

Equating that saving to stopping 45k people trying to claim asylum is a nonsense, especially when the last government’s self-made backlog is cleared.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The NHS's reliance on overseas labour is worrying I think. There are the ethical issues about cherry picking skilled staff from poorer countries and enticing them here for starters. Then there's also the issue of British graduates not getting jobs as doctors and nurses because there's insufficient funding of training places. We have somehow got ourselves into a situation where we import staff "on the cheap" to prop up the NHS, and it's not a particularly comfortable or sustainable position long term

Its ok because when they start doing this nobody will come. Why take up a job that for decades means overnight you will be removed? Good luck with that prostate exam in the future mate.

 

[stonerblue]

Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

We're 'broke' yet you moan about paying more tax.
I got a docs appointment for the same day last week.
NHS dentistry was fucked off years ago.
Kids can't get a house because the banks stipulate huge deposits.
I'll give you the roads are crammed but that, like your other reasons to stop immigration, is fuck all to do with immigrants.