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Right now, no, I wouldn't. We are a small island and we are NOT the 6th richest country in the world in any meaningful sense. We're about 20th IIRC per capita and even lower when you factor in purchasing power, nearer 30th.

And more importantly we are broke, and our public services are already over stretched. British people can barely get a doctor's appointment in less than weeks and you can forget finding an NHS dentist. Kids have no chance of buying a house and our roads are crammed.

In future, if/when our economy and public services have recovered then yes we could resume. But right now I wouldn't accept any asylum applications.

I wonder who people would blame when the immigrants go, and public services are still overstretched, you still cant find an NHS dentist, the roads are still crammed and it's still next to impossible to get on the housing ladder.

Perhaps we're looking at the wrong culprits (which is exactly what they want).
 
Am disgusted with the performative cruelty on offer from govt.

As the thread (see comment immediately above just for instance) shows, there's no way to win this - it doesn't matter how cruel govt is, facts don't matter and the far right will always just ratchet it up more.

It's a dead end; Labour voters will go Green and Lib Dem for sanity; Reform voters will vote for full fat racism.

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I’m not sure why everything goes from reflexively all or nothing, but no crisis can go “unmanned,” so we have to find the people responsible…and it isn’t us!!

The problem is always “other,” and when you can find a simply identifiable trait, that’s even better, because you can point to it and then everyone can join in.

The first decades of this century have been ones of mass migration, most of it forced by war and suffering. Hopefully, as the world calms the fuck down, asylum will be less of an issue. However, there will always be the bleeding hearts who open up welcoming arms to all comers. The problem, of course, is that those bleeding hearts are often the ones who never have to pay a penny to help feed, clothe, shelter, educate or medicate those all comers! That, too, is left to “others.”

Quandary.

Perhaps, putting the brakes on and getting one’s own house in order might be a good first step. Alas, I fear that, as Maggie suggested, Britons wanting everything for everyone paid by someone else might be running out of other people’s money!

Until the Benefits CULTURE in Britain is fixed, and until there are serious attempts made to tackle the obesity and related maladies epidemic, it is very hard to see how Britain can afford socialized medicine…and we can all see that it can’t! And, those are just the superficial, low-hanging fruit problems clearly visible from afar.

Dig deeper and you face other serious housing and infrastructure problems that an entitled population, who expect the moon and the stars for pennies, believe they deserve.

Empires fall. Some quicker than others.
Of course we can afford a socialised health service. As US health insurance premiums rocket, so could the USA.
 
I saw a clip on Instagram recently ,which was from a few weeks ago, of some knuckledraggers putting up a flag on a lamppost outside a pensioner's house. He came out and politely asked them not to do it. He received dogs abuse in return. I'd like to think he has a couple of sons with the tenacity of Liam Neeson's character from Taken, who saw that clip, and settled the score at a later date, but will have to be content with the probability of it being taken down a couple of days later.

On the plus side, I've noticed sentiment against flagnonces and also Reform, likes and comments wise on posts, are consistently as high as far right YouTube video viewing figures, which are depressingly high. It may seem from the one sided barrage from the media that the far right are currently the majority, but that's far from the case in reality, the disdain for those people and what they stand for is there in abundance. You just have to search for it, unlike the stuff coming the other way which unfortunately as I say is a barrage.


Labour shouldn't be kowtowing to these people with the immigration policy changes. They won't gain their votes, but will lose some of their own. They need to focus on the economic side of government, get better PR in and go after corporate tax dodgers.
 
He won’t be long term if she gets something done.

Credit to her this morning and I for one hope she is successful with this policy as it will steal the oxygen from the likes of this **** and the other one.
This is probably the only reason for the 'reforms'.
In my plan to 'steal their oxygen' I was gonna suggest a complete stop on immigration until the backlog is cleared. Shut the fuckers up instantly.
 
Labour are getting tough on migration when the Tories had 14 years to do so - they are doing this without the need to leave and rip up the ECHR and without the rhetoric of 'mass deportation now!' - It's needed and making Reform look like imbeciles.
 
And the cunts of worling age who sit in the pub all day moaning about the state of the country pissing up PIP money all day while complaining about a migrant who gets a tenner a week. Thats why you cant get a doctors appointment. Ffs
I see and hear these tossers every day. When I point out that they're conning the dss, living in councilm/he flats or private hmo's they get all but but but.
 
I wonder who people would blame when the immigrants go, and public services are still overstretched, you still cant find an NHS dentist, the roads are still crammed and it's still next to impossible to get on the housing ladder.

Perhaps we're looking at the wrong culprits (which is exactly what they want).
Probably British citizens who look "different" to the stereotypical.
 
Am disgusted with the performative cruelty on offer from govt.

As the thread (see comment immediately above just for instance) shows, there's no way to win this - it doesn't matter how cruel govt is, facts don't matter and the far right will always just ratchet it up more.

It's a dead end; Labour voters will go Green and Lib Dem for sanity; Reform voters will vote for full fat racism.

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Don't you realise that as some of those countries are geographically bigger than we are then it's only right that they take more ;-). In reality, it appears they do.
 
Don't you realise that as some of those countries are geographically bigger than we are then it's only right that they take more ;-). In reality, it appears they do.

What's geographically bigger got to do with it? Do you think refugees are living on the glaciers of the Alps? Or perhaps putting all global refugees in the Gobi desert would magically solve the problem?

Population relative, sure.

And as you point out, we're still taking fewer on those measures.
 
Germany are pushing for the 700k plus Syrian refugees to return home now the war is over, same will happen with Ukrainians when a lasting peace is hopefully established.
 
Germany are pushing for the 700k plus Syrian refugees to return home now the war is over, same will happen with Ukrainians when a lasting peace is hopefully established.
Tbh I suspect that most people who have had to uproot their lives due to war and move across the world to escape it would probably really like to go back home when it's safe.
 
They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever

 
They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever



That Britain had 20 million+ less people living in it.
 
They have lost the fucking plot with todays upcoming announcement - set aside the damage to the supply of doctors, nurses etc this will do if it succeeds and they get zero migrants - none at all. Google says there are 10,7m legal migrants living here. They would have to be here on a skilled worker visa and pay the NHS surcharge which is over £2,700 per year so quick maths mean it could ultimately cost £29.8bn a year sucked out of the economy - nearly £30bn - that will have to be replaced - you think taxes are too high now?

forget this Britain its gone forever


The NHS's reliance on overseas labour is worrying I think. There are the ethical issues about cherry picking skilled staff from poorer countries and enticing them here for starters. Then there's also the issue of British graduates not getting jobs as doctors and nurses because there's insufficient funding of training places. We have somehow got ourselves into a situation where we import staff "on the cheap" to prop up the NHS, and it's not a particularly comfortable or sustainable position long term
 

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