Jude Bellingham

Only thing that's truly pissed me off about Bellingham was the 'who else' celebration. And that wasn't because I dislike the idea of a black person being cocky. It's because I'd had to sit through 4 horrible England games where Southgate had built the whole team around a player who stunk the place out (Bellingham). I think arrogance is fine as long as it's earned

Otherwise, Wright is 100% correct with what he's saying. The media treats black players differently and has done for as long as I've been watching football. Saw this mentioned elsewhere, but imagine how different the coverage Grealish's antics would be if he was black...
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So why has he exceeded, worked within a team and bought so much success with Dortmund and Madrid ? If he can link up with likes of Junior, Mbappe and Rodrygo - why can't it work with likes of Rashford,Foden and Saka ?
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Well, I don't think Dortmund had great success so will ignore them. Madrid, he made his name there playing as a 9, not massively involved in the build up. I'd say that he hasn't been the same level since then, but is living on that still.

I also think possession has been key to City, but hasn't for Madrid. So what we end up with for England is Foden making simple passes, but it never coming back round to him because Bellingham doesn't play that way. Neither does Rashford, as shown by how predictable it was that he wouldn't pass to O'Reilly and would instead 'have a go' at something and lose the ball.

The press/commentators are desperate for the spectacular but England have the players to be successful by valuing possession. That though requires Foden more than Bellingham. Which I guess suns up my frustration with it.
 
Maly said:
Fucking mental. For starters, I’m quite certain he’s mixed race

2ndly, I think it’s important enough to mention that he’s mixed race again as it makes Wright’s comments fucking bonkers
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The Bellingham lads are mixed race. Their Dad’s white.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So why has he exceeded, worked within a team and bought so much success with Dortmund and Madrid ? If he can link up with likes of Junior, Mbappe and Rodrygo - why can't it work with likes of Rashford,Foden and Saka ?
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My take on this is that I think he has a bit more humility and respect for his teammates at Madrid and so is prepared to be a bit more subservient to them. I've seen a few Madrid games where he does play with a bit more discipline and is a bit more of a cog in a functioning machine there where lads like Vinicius and Mbappe are the show stoppers. And Bellingham himself will have his moments as well. He's clearly good enough to hang in that company and he plays well within a team system there. Madrid love him. There has to be good reason for that.

I dont think that translates to England though. I'm not sure he carries the same respect for his teammates there hence the need to try and be this domineering figure in the team that everything must revolve around him and only with him at the center of everything can England be successful. To be that kind of talisman you really have to be several levels above your teammates and I don't personally see that with Bellingham. England can function just fine if Bellingham is not in the starting 11. A lot of England's attacking issues in the last tournament came from him not being disciplined enough to play a certain role within the team and his presence just ended up stifling the effect that other lads like Foden could have had.
 
Cracking that Ian wright decided to rattle on with this sat next to a sign that says stick to football, can't wait to not be ready for a Jewish/LGBTQ/man from the moon superstar.
Same with anything nowadays, folk jump up and down and ram stuff in people's faces and then claim everyone's against them, I'm not against you mate, just fucking chill out and stop being a ****
 
Gobshiight said:
The media treats black players differently and has done for as long as I've been watching football. Saw this mentioned elsewhere, but imagine how different the coverage Grealish's antics would be if he was black...
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I agree that black/mixed players get an awful load of stick from media, and hence the unwashed public.
There are many recent instances - Sterling, Sancho, Ali etc

I think Grealish was a special case - he joined City, and was a prior media star.
Ditto Sterling, a special case, he had the audacity to leave Liverpool on top of being black.

Sancho, Ali, Bellingham, Garnacho (now that he’s left United) - just arrogant bellends, who surround themselves with leechers and grifters. An easy target for the media to stir up crap.

Foden, also targeted, again due to City connection.

But it’s definitely a mainly sustained ‘black’ attack. Nuanced with who they play for/did play for. ‘White’ players are called out - who can forget Beckham after Argentina, but it’s considerably less sinister.

Bellingham has elevated his bellend level to extra heights, due to his onfield antics - it should be called out - his bellendness, but it’s been washed into being a racist attack on him
 
The article re Bellingham first appeared on Versus on Nov 18th written by Ahmed Shooble. I'm not sure therefore how Ian Wright appears to have taken the topic over.
The author in my opinion is a bit of a plank On the 7th August he published an article headed

Chloe Kelly Isn’t the Problem Misogyny Is.​

I will leave you to read it. However it is as mis-guided as his article on Bellingham
 
JASR said:
I agree that black/mixed players get an awful load of stick from media, and hence the unwashed public.
There are many recent instances - Sterling, Sancho, Ali etc

I think Grealish was a special case - he joined City, and was a prior media star.
Ditto Sterling, a special case, he had the audacity to leave Liverpool on top of being black.

Sancho, Ali, Bellingham, Garnacho (now that he’s left United) - just arrogant bellends, who surround themselves with leechers and grifters. An easy target for the media to stir up crap.

Foden, also targeted, again due to City connection.

But it’s definitely a mainly sustained ‘black’ attack. Nuanced with who they play for/did play for. ‘White’ players are called out - who can forget Beckham after Argentina, but it’s considerably less sinister.

Bellingham has elevated his bellend level to extra heights, due to his onfield antics - it should be called out - his bellendness, but it’s been washed into being a racist attack on him
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Matterface going with the 'you're all racist" narrative this morning.

Someone should ask him where he was when Raheem wore an England shirt.

We all see his potential to be as good as Ronaldo. He already thinks he is.

As I've said before good coaching and a decent role model to tone down his petulance and he will be.

He has the potential to both win a world cup and lose one for England.
 
Earlyriser said:
One thing that seems to being overlooked in the Sterling case is that he made the fatal media mistake of moving from Liverpool to City. Whatever he did he would not be forgiven for that.
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young succesfull black player and slightly elusive when it came to the media leaving the bestest football club ever to join little city it was the perfect storm for the media .I remember that guy ex liverpool massive nose on soccer saturday screaming he"ll regret this mark my words with such venom in his voice .The media campaign meant he was bood at every away game
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
So I guess Jude Bellingham IS going to the world cup now. And I guess a lot of England fans, who know Bellingham upsets the apple cart, are going to be quite annoyed at how he has got there now.

I dislike Ronaldo, I dislike Bellingham for the same reasons. That's it.

I'm not sure who is dividing the country anymore.
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You are right he will be on the plane. I have a bad feeling that Foden will miss out. That would be Tuchel biggest mistake so far
 
BlueHammer85 said:
i did, couldn't find a quote.
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I know you’re trying to be a smart arse (failing miserably) but try reading my original post again. I said REPORTED he’d said that and I’m sure whilst googling it you found literally dozens of REPORTS claiming he said that.
 
No.8 said:
I know you’re trying to be a smart arse (failing miserably) but try reading my original post again. I said REPORTED he’d said that and I’m sure whilst googling it you found literally dozens of REPORTS claiming he said that.
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His point is that it might not be true. Hence where is the quote.
 
No.8 said:
I know you’re trying to be a smart arse (failing miserably) but try reading my original post again. I said REPORTED he’d said that and I’m sure whilst googling it you found literally dozens of REPORTS claiming he said that.
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yes, reports could mean it's totally not true. hence was looking for the quote.
 
To be honest I think there is a big difference with the way Sterling, Rashford and Pogba were treated to say Bellingham. Criticism for Bellingham appears to be for on the field stuff, whereas the other 3 extended into stuff completely unrelated to football.

Admittedly I avoid certain parts of the media where possible now but the only off the pitch stuff about Bellingham I have seen, is his dad being banned from the Dortmund dressing room for trying to tell the coach what to do with Jobe. I don't think that ban is unfair.

I also think that 'Overlap' panel have got a nerve, Carragher, Keane, Neville and Wright have all criticised players, some of which has gotten personal.

Some might say Wright hasn't really done it but I thought he was very snide about Foden across multiple podcasts last season, not realising the off the field stuff that was happening to him. He makes a good point about some in the media, however, I don't think it was a good point in relation to Bellingham. Applied to Pogba or Sterling it would have been a much fairer point.

So, I think these pundits need to be careful that they're not throwing stones in glass houses.
 
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