The Labour Government

[metalblue]

Badenoch is there to be morally bankrupt and cause as many problems for the government as possible (ie her telling all conservative councils to attempt to close down Asylum hotels via the courts that her government put in, just to try and engineer a crisis for Labour).

18 months before the GE she will be replaced by a new Cameron figure who can then claim to be reclaiming the party for one nation Tories and small c conservatives.


She’ll never stand in a general election as Conservative leader.

It wouldn’t shock me if all of that came to pass.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I will never agree with your politics and that's okay and if you vote for the Tories again I'd disagree but fair enough. What I do find unnacceptable (to me) is anyone voting for a far right racist party like reform and finding excuses like I prefer their tax policy or I don't like the present government. They aren't prices worth paying for a party and leader as dispicable as Reform and Farage.
Luckily I very much doubt they will win enough seats to win power because enough of the 70% that are against reform are enough against them to tactical vote them out of enough seats that they will never win a majority.

Ah, back to the old "anyone who has an issue with immigration is a racist" argument. Well, that's been well and truly rumbled mate. It doesn't wash anymore.

So sorry, but yes Farage will be the next PM (after the GE). Whether that's with a Tory coalition or on his own, remains to be seen.

 

[mosssideblue]

Ah, back to the old "anyone who has an issue with immigration is a racist" argument. Well, that's been well and truly rumbled mate. It doesn't wash anymore.

So sorry, but yes Farage will be the next PM (after the GE). Whether that's with a Tory coalition or on his own, remains to be seen.

Once we get near a GE and prospective parties have to table a manifesto and substantiate it, Reform will be fully exposed as a non starter

 

[Chippy_boy]

How would you feel about a Reform government?

Relieved.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Once we get near a GE and prospective parties have to table a manifesto and substantiate it, Reform will be fully exposed as a non starter

Of course you are free to hope so. I suspect to a very great extent that depends upon how "electable" people think Labour is. Right now, the polling says "Not even slightly", and I see that deteriorating and certainly not improving. No because of gut reaction, but because they have policies fundamentally damaging to our economy, so things will be worse in 2029 than they are now. Inflation is still high, as a direct result of wrong policies. Energy prices are through the roof because Milliband is a lying **** and knows full well that renewables come at a huge cost, both to bill payers and also to industry and employment. The ****.

So if Labour are unelectable, Reform win by default.

 

[domalino]

Why the constant animosity? Not to mention being downright wrong all the time.

For a start, I have never “slobbered over” Farage. In fact my very last post said he’s sub optimal.

And I’m fully aware of his position on taxes. Why on earth you would think I am not, is beyond me. Presumably just another go at trying to mock and belittle. It’s SO tiresome.

But VERY unlike the bunch of clowns you support, Farage does at least does realise that raising them is actually bad for the economy and not just bad for votes. He has a hope of getting us out of the doom spiral of increasing taxes and falling tax receipts, which Labour will not.

And if you think he won’t be the next PM, you’re in for a hell of a big disappointment. In 2029 I mean. Admittedly some other Labour stooge will be in place well before the next GE.

Honestly I think you represent the absolute worst of British politics right now. More interested on complaining and bringing everything down than supporting any solutions that might help the country and desperate for everyone to be as pessimistic and miserable as you are. You seem to revel in the idea of Reform getting in despite knowing they'd be bad for the country just because it would fuck shit up.

Completely unwilling to accept that large systemic problems like the economy and asylum don't have overnight fixes and demanding the government fix them yesterday, despite being attentive enough to politics that you know it's not possible.

Not to mention the constant regurgitation of far-right and right wing talking points. Thinking "wokeness" is the enemy and not the massive concentration of wealth that's taken place over the last 10 years. Swallowing culture war bullshit, supporting and defending racist scumbag Tommy Robinson, trying to import US RW talking points like DEI and posting every non-white person convicted of CSA while ignoring white British men being convicted of the same.

You think something entirely plausible and obviously in the best interests of the people in this country like nationalising bankrupt water companies is fanciful and belongs in an "alternate reality" we don't live in, and yet believe every pie in the sky promise Farage and reform come out with.

You go on non-stop about the asylum crisis, and yet when Labour brings in the most significant reforms in 50 years to reduce the amount of asylum seekers, reduce the amount of financial support they get and quadruple the amount of time they have to stay in the country to get IDL, you don't have a single positive word to say about it, despite it being orders of magnitude stronger than anything the previous government introduced.

Lastly, you're a Tory voter who takes zero accountability or responsibility for the actions of the successive governments you supported that got the country in this situation that you complain about so much in the first place.

Other than that I've got no problem with you.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Honestly I think you represent the absolute worst of British politics right now. More interested on complaining and bringing everything down than supporting any solutions that might help the country and desperate for everyone to be as pessimistic and miserable as you are. You seem to revel in the idea of Reform getting in despite knowing they'd be bad for the country just because it would fuck shit up.

Completely unwilling to accept that large systemic problems like the economy and asylum don't have overnight fixes and demanding the government fix them yesterday, despite being attentive enough to politics that you know it's not possible.

Not to mention the constant regurgitation of far-right and right wing talking points. Thinking "wokeness" is the enemy and not the massive concentration of wealth that's taken place over the last 10 years. Swallowing culture war bullshit, supporting and defending racist scumbag Tommy Robinson, trying to import US RW talking points like DEI and posting every non-white person convicted of CSA while ignoring white British men being convicted of the same.

You think something entirely plausible and obviously in the best interests of the people in this country like nationalising bankrupt water companies is fanciful and belongs in an "alternate reality" we don't live in, and yet believe every pie in the sky promise Farage and reform come out with.

You go on non-stop about the asylum crisis, and yet when Labour brings in the most significant reforms in 50 years to reduce the amount of asylum seekers, reduce the amount of financial support they get and quadruple the amount of time they have to stay in the country to get IDL, you don't have a single positive word to say about it, despite it being orders of magnitude stronger than anything the previous government introduced.

Lastly, you're a Tory voter who takes zero accountability or responsibility for the actions of the successive governments you supported that got the country in this situation that you complain about so much in the first place.

Other than that I've got no problem with you.

Nice rant and shows why I drive past certain posters. It’s been obvious for a while that they’re no longer rational, almost as if the poster you responded to lives in the X universe.

Always angry, always belittling the country, it’s almost as if he wants it to completely fail now that they’re personally in a comfortable place.

 

[mosssideblue]

Of course you are free to hope so. I suspect to a very great extent that depends upon how "electable" people think Labour is. Right now, the polling says "Not even slightly", and I see that deteriorating and certainly not improving. No because of gut reaction, but because they have policies fundamentally damaging to our economy, so things will be worse in 2029 than they are now. Inflation is still high, as a direct result of wrong policies. Energy prices are through the roof because Milliband is a lying **** and knows full well that renewables come at a huge cost, both to bill payers and also to industry and employment. The ****.

So if Labour are unelectable, Reform win by default.

Of course, you too are free to hope so.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Honestly I think you represent the absolute worst of British politics right now. More interested on complaining and bringing everything down than supporting any solutions that might help the country and desperate for everyone to be as pessimistic and miserable as you are. You seem to revel in the idea of Reform getting in despite knowing they'd be bad for the country just because it would fuck shit up.

I gave up after this paragraph. Why do you insist on making shit up?

I do not think Reform would be bad for the country at all. I think they actually are just what is needed - as I posted (and received likes) about only a day or so ago. And I am not complaing about anything other than this diabolical government and PM - the worst in donkey's years if not ever. They are diabolically crap, and I want them gone today, tomorrow, Monday.. as soon as is humanly possible.

So please stop making things up and hurling insults around. It does your credibility nothing, although doubtless some deluded souls will give you a like.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Of course, you too are free to hope so.

Well we can both hope, but history is on my side not yours.

"Has any government ever been re-elected with poll ratings as low as Labours are at the moment?

No UK government has ever been re-elected with poll ratings quite as low as Labour's are at this moment, and historically, governments showing such levels of unpopularity have nearly always faced electoral defeat rather than securing a renewed mandate. 1 2"

 

[mosssideblue]

I gave up after this paragraph. Why do you insist on making shit up?

I do not think Reform would be bad for the country at all. I think they actually are just what is needed - as I posted (and received likes) about only a day or so ago. And I am not complaing about anything other than this diabolical government and PM - the worst in donkey's years if not ever. They are diabolically crap, and I want them gone today, tomorrow, Monday.. as soon as is humanly possible.

So please stop making things up and hurling insults around. It does your credibility nothing, although doubtless some deluded souls will give you a like.

Forgive me for laughing but to suggest Starmer is the worst pm ever is ridiculous.

Your memory mush be very short to forget Johnson and Truss, but particularly Johnson

 

[mosssideblue]

Well we can both hope, but history is on my side not yours.

"Has any government ever been re-elected with poll ratings as low as Labours are at the moment?

No UK government has ever been re-elected with poll ratings quite as low as Labour's are at this moment, and historically, governments showing such levels of unpopularity have nearly always faced electoral defeat rather than securing a renewed mandate. 1 2"

The Election is years away, but you seem to want immediate improvement after the preceding shit show set the country back years.

 

[blueparrot]

Ah, back to the old "anyone who has an issue with immigration is a racist" argument. Well, that's been well and truly rumbled mate. It doesn't wash anymore.

So sorry, but yes Farage will be the next PM (after the GE). Whether that's with a Tory coalition or on his own, remains to be seen.

Wasn’t what I said, I said if you support and vote for a racist like Farage whatever excuse you make up, then yes if the hat fits. Anyway you carry on fantasising about a Farage led government if that makes you happy.

 

[hilts]

I know none of us want to pay any more tax, but for those that think we are out of line with other nations, I'll leave this for your consumption:

Personal average tax rates in Europe: Increases and cuts in 2024

The tax burden on workers, composed of income tax and social security contributions, varies widely across Europe. In 2024, this burden changed significantly in some countries, with notable rises and falls.

www.euronews.com

So arguing the rich can't afford just a tiny bit more is a nonsense.

There has to be a catch there somewhere, the difference between say Germany and the UK seems too large, also UK average wage single person tax burden has gone down over 8% since 2024?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Wasn’t what I said, I said if you support and vote for a racist like Farage whatever excuse you make up, then yes if the hat fits. Anyway you carry on fantasising about a Farage led government if that makes you happy.

LOL! You're doing EXACTLY what I accused you of.

Nice rant and shows why I drive past certain posters. It’s been obvious for a while that they’re no longer rational, almost as if the poster you responded to lives in the X universe.

Always angry, always belittling the country, it’s almost as if he wants it to completely fail now that they’re personally in a comfortable place.

Right on Q, one of the deluded chirps up, as I predicted.

BTW, I am far from always angry. I am merely angry about the buffoons who are our government. Something that clearly does not sit comfortably with you, yet you prefer not to respect different opinions and engage with them in a constructive way.

 

[blueparrot]

LOL! You're doing EXACTLY what I accused you of.

Right on Q, one of the deluded chirps up, as I predicted.

The fact you can’t discern a difference between having a concern or an issue with the level of immigration, whether I agree or not, and Farage tells me how much of a blind eye you’re willing to turn.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The fact you can’t discern a difference between having a concern or an issue with the level of immigration, whether I agree or not, and Farage tells me how much of a blind eye you’re willing to turn.

I've said MANY times I am not a fan of Farage. I am a fan of these things:

1. Actually doing something about our out of control level of immigration (which I think Labour for all the talk, will not do)
2. Any party which recognises that we need to significantly reduce the size of the state so we can balance the books without crippling the nation with ever spiralling higher taxes.

I'd prefer it if that was the Tories, but they have no chance of being elected. Farage does, so he will have to do. Do I like him? No - I think he's quite odious actually. But he's the only option.

 

[blueparrot]

I've said MANY times I am not a fan of Farage. I am a fan of these things:

1. Actually doing something about our out of control level of immigration (which I think Labour for all the talk, will not do)
2. Any party which recognises that we need to significantly reduce the size of the state so we can balance the books without crippling the nation with ever spiralling higher taxes.

I'd prefer it if that was the Tories, but they have no chance of being elected. Farage does, so he will have to do. Do I like him? No - I think he's quite odious actually. But he's the only option.

Thats my entire point, not being a fan isn’t enough only not voting for him is. If you prefer the tories vote for them. Voting and wanting a Farage government whatever you think of the alternatives isn’t in my world a good enough reason.

 

[BTH]

I've said MANY times I am not a fan of Farage. I am a fan of these things:

1. Actually doing something about our out of control level of immigration (which I think Labour for all the talk, will not do)
2. Any party which recognises that we need to significantly reduce the size of the state so we can balance the books without crippling the nation with ever spiralling higher taxes.

I'd prefer it if that was the Tories, but they have no chance of being elected. Farage does, so he will have to do. Do I like him? No - I think he's quite odious actually. But he's the only option.

What do you think your hero Farage will do re "our out of control level of immigration" that Labour should be doing?

Secondly, where do you think the state needs reducing? Bear in mind that the Tories reduced the state to such an extent that it was just about able to tick over with the spectacular failure that was their Austerity plan.

 

[hampshireblue]

There has to be a catch there somewhere, the difference between say Germany and the UK seems too large, also UK average wage single person tax burden has gone down over 8% since 2024?

It's average so I guess includes the tax free threshold which is unusually generous in the UK. AI gives a similar result but some on here don't like it being used. ;-) Enjoy the match