Will England ever win the world cup again?

I certainly think you can win it and I’ll be supporting you.
I think if three main issues are addressed but it’s only my opinion.
* First is the weight of expectation fuelled by media frenzy.
* Then it’s the fear of failure allied with too much respect when playing fellow big boys.
* and finally team selection. Hopefully Tommy Turtle is his own man and won’t resort to picking injured talisman or badly out of form red shirts.
There’s a very good in waiting.
 
Protein Junkie said:
I certainly think you can win it and I’ll be supporting you.
I think if three main issues are addressed but it’s only my opinion.
* First is the weight of expectation fuelled by media frenzy.
* Then it’s the fear of failure allied with too much respect when playing fellow big boys.
* and finally team selection. Hopefully Tommy Turtle is his own man and won’t resort to picking injured talisman or badly out of form red shirts.
There’s a very good in waiting.
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Its one of those football cliches. England media expects to win.

Well Argentina, Brazil, Spain, France few other nations totally the same.

My thoughts anyway.
 
Spain recently brilliant players all over park current cf just a good honest 9

Oyarzabal

If he started week in and out for MC, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea you be rightly saying hes levels Haaland below.
 
malg said:
Scottish mate. It would be hell on earth. They'd all get fucking MBEs and Knighthoods. Never hear the fucking end of it. I'd rather hear 'they think it's all over' on a loop.....

Just think of all the Crass of 92 documentaries and films and documentaries about bacon face and mentions of the Treble (that all went quiet around 3 years ago). Now times that by 100......and you still wouldn't be close.
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hahaha, I get it now. For the record though, MBE's and Knighthoods for winning cups etc, I don't agree with that though but if and it's a big if, we do you best not put the telly on for a long time.
 
One thing I will add that I think has worked against England in the past, but may not be the case so much these days, is them not taking age limited tournaments as seriously as other countries.

You listen to any player that's been to a long tournament, particularly for the first time, and you'll hear them talk about what a unique and testing time it is, that's impossible to prepare for, other than experiencing it for real. A whole bunch of players, and staff, more or less living in each pockets for over a month. Some of them knowing they're unlikely to be playing much, if any football. Players who perhaps don't particularly like each other and have history from club football.

This is why I think other countries have traditionally taken age restricted tournaments very seriously and ensured that even their most talented players have experienced at least one before a first team tournament. Whereas in England, once a player has become established in a top club's first team, it's almost been treated like an insult to ask them to go away with the U21s or U19s.
 
I think we will, maybe not in my lifetime as I am now in my 70s, but it would help if someone could instil the fight Scotland showed last week. England’s problem is we don’t have the national pride the other home nations have.
 
I love football but also boxing, so I'm sure you have a thread about Ricky Hatton, what a great fighter, guy that was really a pleasure to watch.

He was loved all around UK lads know he was a massive blue fan, but never ever heard anyone UK not cheer for him.

The Kostya Ttzyu rightly his day in the sun, think people forget the Thaxton fight, awful cut what Ricky was just trusted his boxing ability, job done, box office fighter.

If admin could move this post to a boxing thread I'd appreciate it.
 
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.db. said:
I’m not sure we necessarily need to worry about PL managers who gets Italian and Brazilian midfielders to run into our payers after the ball has gone. If you remember, Monaco and Villarreal were doing exactly the same thing to us in our recent CL games with them.

Tuchel is a very good tactical coach. His teams are a bit boring, but they do have good tactics and he’s beaten better teams than his in finals.

We are the biggest international underachievers in the sport.

1 World Cup win, 0 Euros wins and 0 Nations League wins ranks up with small countries like Czechia and Greece, and below Portugal. None of them have a population over 11 million.

Only 1 trophy and only 3 finals in total puts us miles behind equivalent football nations to ourselves like Germany, Brazil, Spain and Argentina.

Even France who’ve never had a strong league in the history of football have reached 8 finals winning 2 WCs, 2 Euros and 1 Nations League. Considering how strong our league has been throughout football history, always being well above the French league, that puts us to fucking shame.

Our problem was historically not being able to pass the ball. Our Academies did not train youngsters to be technically good enough in tight situations, they were decades behind other countries at developing players. I called our poor passing ‘The English Disease’ for years. English Academies would bring though good players by chance, in spite of the Academy scene and due to the individuals’ abilities. Even big name players were shite under pressure at creating chances.

We’ve also struggled with not having the right coach in place. We have improved a lot at bringing through more technically gifted players recently. Even our centre backs are good on the ball these days, some can even play in midfield, but we’ve always struggled tactically. Southgate got found out against every better coached team we came up against in his entire tenure, even if they didn’t have better players than us. Plus we didn’t beat any team who were on a par or better than us in quality under him. Tuchel has a proven record of being able to do that.

Also think that Germany, Brazil and Netherlands are going through periods of having their worst teams they’ve ever had in their history, we can win the next WC. But Spain, France, Portugal and Argentina all have top sides so can see why we wouldn’t. But long term, we have enough money going into our Academies to produce the players required… worldwide at the moment, the quality of players coming through on the game is sliding significantly.
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We are the biggest bottle jobs in the history of international football. Not sure we have ever in my time watching World cups ever beaten a truly decent side that is ranked higher or judged to be better than us. We beat average or poor sides and also lose to them.
 
Top level football ko wise to win you will have to win at least one pen shoot out.

Switzerland Euros England nailed the pens.

England 1 Italy 1 euros before 1 up 3m gone and at Wembley we sat back,Donna on pens hes the best in the world Pickford did well that night tbf .

We tried to hold on against a bang average Italian side Jorginho ran the tempo of the game, iirc.
 
jimharri said:
I'm guessing by your question that it's none. My turn now; how many have the status Brazil have? They're always looked at differently to other nations. They've won two World Cups in 54 years; that's not so much better than England's record, which is usually mocked.
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I would say 2 in 54 yrs is quite a bit better than zilch, I wasnt expecting how shit are England at major tournaments to lead to yeah but Brazil haven't been great, 5 times winners Brazil.
The simple fact is out of all the big international teams we are comfortably the worst performers in major tournaments. Even when we get the easiest.of easy draws we fuck it up.

The Jimmy White of football.
 
hilts said:
I think he was saying the spanish golfing legend Olazabal and mates to Seve isn't as good at football as Haaland but he can be trusted not to nick your wallet or sleep with the Mrs.
Expect tears and pointing at the sky if Spain win.
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Just wasn't sure what his post had to do with the question in the thread title.
 
The short answer is no.

I say this because the pressure and the expectation on the national team to win silverware has become ridiculous.

The nation has been desperate for years to "bring it home" and every year (all 58 of them) the pressure mounts.

No other national team in world football has this level of scrutiny and expectation to win. I believe this is why England do so well in the qualifying rounds, because they've got quality players and UEFA & FIFA don't hand out silverware at that stage of the campaign.

The media and the public hype leading up to an international tournament is so overwhelming it becomes a doomed self fulfilling prophecy.

Winning a world Cup would herald a public holiday in this country and the players, managers and staff know exactly what's riding on it.

That level of pressure is unmanageable.
 
jimharri said:
So; they're living off their (distant) past glories. Don't get me wrong; that 1970 side is arguably the best international XI that ever set foot onto a football pitch. But they've done precious little since then to earn the godlike status they seem to have in the media.
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The '82 &'86 sides were outstanding as well and the real Ronaldo teams were pretty damn good.
 
SLIDERLEEDS said:
England have a lot of good young players the failures of before counts against them for me.

WC or not cast your mind back to the European final 1 up 3m in and just sat back, at home at Wembley against what Italy are resilient, well we lost on pens. Had we pressed for a 2nd goal, maybe we be caught break, we iirc created sfa, Stones et a whisker away from a cross a half chance apart, nothing.

Your man Donnaruma was excellent and Pickford was also good in the shootout.

Should of rolled dice, didn't.
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Manager played for penalties for most of the match. Even saved two of his subs for penalty duties.
England have got the players now. Just don't think they've got the mind set.
 
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