The Labour Government

metalblue said:
Fuck me I’ve read some shit in my time but that is prime shit. I’m surprised someone like you posted it, I didn’t have you on the loonie left of economics.
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I believe the Weimar Republic (the one that that directly led to the rise of Hitler and those pictures of Germans pushing wheelbarrows of cash to buy a loaf, due to hyperinflation) never actually went bankrupt. I'm with you, the article is nursery level economics (why can't we just print more and more and more money daddy?) and possibly (hopefully) a piss take.

That said, if we did crash the economy really, really, badly and ended up with hyperinflaion and millions of jobless then we would have the opportunity to do what Roosevelt did in the USA, the new deal. I think Hitler also turned around the German economy by virtually doing the exact same thing in the 1930s but that is probably best left alone!
 
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Pancake Arse said:
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Ah.... "suggested"...
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Genuine suggestion here: if Reeves wants to catalyse some growth and the government need a popular boost, scrap the 3pm blackout.

Without doxxing myself, my local is very blue. Big screen, City stuff behind the bar, gets very busy when City are on tv.

I couldn’t make it to the game today as I was busy til the second half so I ended up watching the match on my phone in the pub. They used to show 3pm games on snide Sky but like every where else, these days it’s not worth the risk.

In there were about 3 FOCs and me, that’s it.

Had the game be ok Sky the place would’ve been rammed.

That same picture is repeated in every suburb of every town and city across the country. This medieval law is killing pubs.

Binning off the 3pm blackout would be an easy ‘populist’ win and would also give the hospitality industry a much needed helping hand.

I think they also need to cut VAT for the sector but that’s another fight.
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That would kill lower division and league football even more than they’ve already done.
 
metalblue said:
Fuck me I’ve read some shit in my time but that is prime shit. I’m surprised someone like you posted it, I didn’t have you on the loonie left of economics.
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I'm not. Modern Monetary Theory puts forward a similar but not identical view. I merely put it out there as why some may have a view that a country that prints it's own currency cant go "bankrupt" in the true sense of the word. Richard Murphy does seem to be gaining some traction in the media recently.

I did, however say we don't ever want to be in a position like this.
 
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johnny crossan said:
I think you're being unfair, she is doing her best in an impossible job and listening to her interview with Laura the Boris fangirl this morning I thought she more than held her own.
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Thought I’d listen this morning to see what she had to say. Wish I hadn’t as it was just LK setting a narrative and then not allowing Reeves to speak.

Got better as the interview went on as Reeves stopped taking LKs prompts and decided to tell us the actual detail.

Might listen to Trevor Philips later, see if it’s across the board.
 
johnny crossan said:
I think you're being unfair, she is doing her best in an impossible job and listening to her interview with Laura the Boris fangirl this morning I thought she more than held her own.
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It’s one take I suppose but not one I can agree with.

The OBR proves her lies I’m afraid.

All she had to do was be a Labour chancellor and be honest that tax rises would be to fund welfare increases but she couldn’t do that because it’s never been in the plan for her and Starmer.

It’s the last dice throw from them both to keep the PLP on board.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s one take I suppose but not one I can agree with.

The OBR proves her lies I’m afraid.

All she had to do was be a Labour chancellor and be honest that tax rises would be to fund welfare increases but she couldn’t do that because it’s never been in the plan for her and Starmer.

It’s the last dice throw from them both to keep the PLP on board.
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If they'd said that in their manifesto they thought they might not have won, this government is our only chance to stop Farage so we'd better hope they succeed in improving our economic performance.
 
Quad said:
Who would you like in ? A guy I work with married to a black girl has kids and is voting reform and so is she , people are just fed up Tory’s totally messed up , wonder if we would be in a worse state if labour was in charge for Covid with how there used to go on about lockdowns
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Why do you think that a black person voting reform is unusual?
 
johnny crossan said:
If they'd said that in their manifesto they thought they might not have won, this government is our only chance to stop Farage so we'd better hope they succeed in improving our economic performance.
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You’re even admitting that they lied in that first sentence;-).

Agree, the next 3 years are crucial but they don’t get a free pass just because of what might be.

The issue is why have both the Tories and now this Labour led us to the doors of Farage.

Gaslighting the public isn’t helping.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s one take I suppose but not one I can agree with.

The OBR proves her lies I’m afraid.

All she had to do was be a Labour chancellor and be honest that tax rises would be to fund welfare increases but she couldn’t do that because it’s never been in the plan for her and Starmer.

It’s the last dice throw from them both to keep the PLP on board.
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What has she actually lied about ? She gave a speech that said we had problems. We do it said there was a productivity downgrade there was. It said we would have to pay more we do / did. She never said what tax changes would come. Is it the word deficit ? Did she actually say that word ? I do t know anymore because the speech is being said to say things it didn’t such as we are getting a rise in income tax. Even if she used the word deficit when there was no deficit is that a lie ? Given that there are deficits in certain areas such as rising welfare costs or productivity or figures being worse than expected
 
blueinsa said:
You’re even admitting that they lied in that first sentence;-).

Agree, the next 3 years are crucial but they don’t get a free pass just because of what might be.

The issue is why have both the Tories and now this Labour led us to the doors of Farage.

Gaslighting the public isn’t helping.
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I think the media have finally cottoned on to Farage and what a Reform Government would mean and are now pushing that door closed.
 
blueinsa said:
Reeves couldn’t lie straight in bed.
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Her biggest mistake, and the thing that will eventually do for her, is that she thinks everyone is as thick as she is.

Because people have made excuses for her dishonesty before, she continues to lie, and simply assumes that she’ll keep getting away with it. But when you start pissing around with money, other peoples’ money actually, that soon begins to change.

A fundamentally dishonest individual who shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of authority.
 
mosssideblue said:
I think the media have finally cottoned on to Farage and what a Reform Government would mean and are now pushing that door closed.
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Tactical voting would also ensure the predicted landslide victory wouldn’t happen.

The next 3 years will be very fucking dirty as well and it will be open warfare on him and his party and there will be bodies in cupboards I’m certain.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Her biggest mistake, and the thing that will eventually do for her, is that she thinks everyone is as thick as she is.

Because people have made excuses for her dishonesty before, she continues to lie, and simply assumes that she’ll keep getting away with it. But when you start pissing around with money, other peoples’ money actually, that soon begins to change.

A fundamentally dishonest individual who shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of authority.
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It’s the hope that will kill you. She will be Chancellor at the next GE
 
Brewster's millions said:
Her biggest mistake, and the thing that will eventually do for her, is that she thinks everyone is as thick as she is.

Because people have made excuses for her dishonesty before, she continues to lie, and simply assumes that she’ll keep getting away with it. But when you start pissing around with money, other peoples’ money actually, that soon begins to change.

A fundamentally dishonest individual who shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of authority.
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As an expert on fundamental dishonesty care to explain what the lie was?
 
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