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maxwellblue said:
Look back at my original post yesterday. I agreed that all employers play a role within a business. All I said was that those who generate the revenue for that business are the most important. Without them there is no revenue and therefore no business. Not hard is it.
You are totally wrong about my view on apprenticeships. I started my working life as an apprentice and value every one of those 4 years and still use things learnt during that time today. I have over the years taken on numerous apprentices, some of which have gone on to run their own businesses.

I'm sure there are instances of roles being critical without necessarily being a revenue generator, however my comment was aimed in a more general way. I would be interested in what you think these roles are.

Why should I not clean my office, I helped to tidy the stores and workshop as did the rest of staff.
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Anyone seen those goal posts, they seemed to have moved?
 
maxwellblue said:
Look back at my original post yesterday. I agreed that all employers play a role within a business. All I said was that those who generate the revenue for that business are the most important. Without them there is no revenue and therefore no business. Not hard is it.
You are totally wrong about my view on apprenticeships. I started my working life as an apprentice and value every one of those 4 years and still use things learnt during that time today. I have over the years taken on numerous apprentices, some of which have gone on to run their own businesses.

I'm sure there are instances of roles being critical without necessarily being a revenue generator, however my comment was aimed in a more general way. I would be interested in what you think these roles are.

Why should I not clean my office, I helped to tidy the stores and workshop as did the rest of staff.
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Maybe it's the way you've communicated things on here that has meant several of us have been "mistaken" over your POV as a boss.

Good on you for taking on apprentices but that completely goes against your view that a lowly cleaner can't be trained to operate the revenue generating machinery.
 
hampshireblue said:
Maybe it's the way you've communicated things on here that has meant several of us have been "mistaken" over your POV as a boss.

Good on you for taking on apprentices but that completely goes against your view that a lowly cleaner can't be trained to operate the revenue generating machinery.
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I have never said that a cleaner can't be trained
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Not meaning to have a pop again but it wasn’t Labour, it was the Armed Forces who introduced it. And, to get away from politics, it was a requirement following complaints about the old system, where people were paying for food that they didn’t eat, ie. when away for weekends.

That’s why those who were left in camp over the weekend got steak Fridays with the full works, they were spending somebody else’s money ;-)
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Mate the food was shite unless you had an AOCs inspection then suddenly everyone was on steak. The Armed were under control of Labour so that wouldn’t have been done without their consent. Also it was cheap as chips under the old rules, so those complaining are basically those who never wanted to be in there the first place, why go home every weekend your missing the point of been in the military!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Mate the food was shite unless you had an AOCs inspection then suddenly everyone was on steak. The Armed were under control of Labour so that wouldn’t have been done without their consent. Also it was cheap as chips under the old rules, so those complaining are basically those who never wanted to be in there the first place, why go home every weekend your missing the point of been in the military!
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Oh, trust me, we had very many good weekends on those that went home ;-)
 
hampshireblue said:
Ok, I'm bored now but I'll leave your own words here:

"but could the cleaners operate the machinery that makes the product the business sells to generate it's revenue. Answer is no"
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I think you are missing a few simple and fundamental points in your bid to try and score a point.

Can the cleaner operate the machine? No

Can the cleaner be trained to operate the machine? Possibly

Would said cleaner then want tbe pay of the former operator now they are trained? Probably (unless they are an idiot).

Can the machine operator clean? Yes.

So as a business owner (if I needed to cut costs) I can lay off my operator, train my cleaner to be an machine operator to pay the cleaner the money I was previously paying my machine operator and not have a cleaner OR I could not have a cleaner and just have my machine operator do the cleaning.

It’s really not difficult to understand.
 
hampshireblue said:
Ok, I'm bored now but I'll leave your own words here:

"but could the cleaners operate the machinery that makes the product the business sells to generate it's revenue. Answer is no"
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I'll put it in simple terms as you are struggling to grasp what I said.

Machine operators leaves company.........no revenue from that machine
Can cleaner with no operating experience of the machine operate said machine....... no, so no revenue from that machine.
Could said cleaner be trained to operate said machine........ yes, however that would take time and while being trained there would be no revenue from said machine.

At no time did I say they couldn't be trained. My comment said that the cleaner couldn't just immediately replace the machine operator. You and others have chosen to twist what I said to fit your own narrative. Poor show.
 
maxwellblue said:
I'll put it in simple terms as you are struggling to grasp what I said.

Machine operators leaves company.........no revenue from that machine
Can cleaner with no operating experience of the machine operate said machine....... no, so no revenue from that machine.
Could said cleaner be trained to operate said machine........ yes, however that would take time and while being trained there would be no revenue from said machine.

At no time did I say they couldn't be trained. My comment said that the cleaner couldn't just immediately replace the machine operator. You and others have chosen to twist what I said to fit your own narrative. Poor show.
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Please stop digging. This started with a comment that "And if you're in a non-revenue generating service industry, which many lower paid workers are?" to which your response was "That's not a business".

Obviously service industries are revenue generating. Cleaning services generate revenue from people who want cleaners. Your machine operators generate revenue from people who want what the machine makes. The people who made your machines generate revenue from your buying their machines. The workers buy food from people who generate revenue from growing the food, perhaps using machines.

In short they're all businesses. What a pointless debate.

Now if you want to ask why the people who put in capital may get more reward than the people who put in the labour we could have a more productive discussion.
 
Vic said:
Please stop digging. This started with a comment that "And if you're in a non-revenue generating service industry, which many lower paid workers are?" to which your response was "That's not a business".

Obviously service industries are revenue generating. Cleaning services generate revenue from people who want cleaners. Your machine operators generate revenue from people who want what the machine makes. The people who made your machines generate revenue from your buying their machines. The workers buy food from people who generate revenue from growing the food, perhaps using machines.

In short they're all businesses. What a pointless debate.

Now if you want to ask why the people who put in capital may get more reward than the people who put in the labour we could have a more productive discussion.
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Wrong, that wasnt my first comment, please get your facts right.

And the question you quote asks "and if you're in a NON revenue generating business" you have come back trying to be smart with "obviously service industries ARE revenue generating"

As you say a pointless debate if you can't get the basic points right.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Spoons buy end of line beer that needs to be shifted quickly hence the low price, their food is generic and cheap. Large nationwide chains better buying power. I’ve often said if pubs halved their prices footfall would quadruple and then the knock on would be more money spent on food etc.
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I think you'll find that spoons buying end of line beer is a myth
 
maxwellblue said:
Wrong, that wasnt my first comment, please get your facts right.

And the question you quote asks "and if you're in a NON revenue generating business" you have come back trying to be smart with "obviously service industries ARE revenue generating"

As you say a pointless debate if you can't get the basic points right.
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Er, that comment (not mine) was using your distinction that only machine operators generate revenue.

"While everyone within a business should have a positive function. The most important people are the ones that generate revenue."

Is your business making shovels?
 
Vic said:
Er, that comment (not mine) was using your distinction that only machine operators generate revenue.

"While everyone within a business should have a positive function. The most important people are the ones that generate revenue."

Is your business making shovels?
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I never said it was your comment, just that you quoted it.
Please explain how your latest comment, above has any relevance to the post to which you were replying to. You seem to be taking selective snippets on what I've said to try and justify your petty attempts at points scoring.

May I suggest you take the time and look back at my first post on this on Friday(not the post you qoted btw) and all the ones after that. You probably won't though.
 
mosssideblue said:
It is but it’s fascinating seeing how deep a hole Max has and continues to dig.
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And it's fascinating to see the likes of you and Vic ignoring what's put in front of you and twistingfacts to suit you own narrative because you are so desperate to score points. Just like the labour government .

There kept the thread on topic.
 
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