Shamima Begum

[WRicko]

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I don’t trust this. Her appeals were all on the basis that she didn’t have Bangladeshi citizenship granted she lost but Bangladesh said she didn’t have it. She is eligible for it but I haven’t seen any evidence she actual has it. Could it be automatic ? Have we seen the actual proceedings ? Has she even been to Bangladesh ? Looks like she is appealing to the ECHR will she win ? If she does it will probably be because she doesn’t have Bangladeshi citizenship.

 

[WRicko]

Bangladesh have already said that if she applied to activate it, they would reject it immediately.

Therefore we have this loophole where she is technically stateless as she has access to no nationality.

If that’s correct then she is already stateless even if she could activate Bangladeshi citizenship which is illegal yet she has some how failed under multiple appeals in a country with a generally good rule of law which is interesting something doesn’t really add up

 

[i kne albert davy]

Bangladesh have already said that if she applied to activate it, they would reject it immediately.

Therefore we have this loophole where she is technically stateless as she has access to no nationality.

Can you blame them, but as she no longer holds British citizenship its illegal under international law for Bangladesh to refuse her citizenship if only she hadn't fucked off to join a bunch of murderers she wouldn't have this problem.

 

[WRicko]

I think being removed from the UK is punishment enough, cheaper too.

Lots of other people love leaving the UK right now

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If that’s correct then she is already stateless even if she could activate Bangladeshi citizenship which is illegal yet she has some how failed under multiple appeals in a country with a generally good rule of law which is interesting something doesn’t really add up

We’ll see with the appeals process. They’ve been exhausted in the U.K., but as you say, ECHR is next.

Even if it is technically legally correct, it seems like it could set a unpleasant precedent for other U.K. citizens that commit a crime abroad who have any claim to another citizenship.

 

[WRicko]

Can you blame them, but as she no longer holds British citizenship its illegal under international law for Bangladesh to refuse her citizenship if only she hadn't fucked off to join a bunch of murderers she wouldn't have this problem.

But surely it’s already illegal to take her citizenship off her as she doesn’t have the Bangladeshi one yet and she is therefore stateless which is illegal

 

[WRicko]

If you don't know the basic difference between right and wrong at 15, you have a problem. I knew at that age not to be giving the neighbours grief, or to getting into trouble with the police, or at school. As, I'm guessing, you did. Basic common sense. Was I a goody two shoes? Certainly not. But I like to think that I knew how far to go before I started to look like a twat.

So maybe Farage should be done for inciting violence / racism / harassment when he was 11 - 17

 

[i kne albert davy]

I don’t trust this. Her appeals were all on the basis that she didn’t have Bangladeshi citizenship granted she lost but Bangladesh said she didn’t have it. She is eligible for it but I haven’t seen any evidence she actual has it. Could it be automatic ? Have we seen the actual proceedings ? Has she even been to Bangladesh ? Looks like she is appealing to the ECHR will she win ? If she does it will probably be because she doesn’t have Bangladeshi citizenship.

Begum also holds Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents, under section 5 of the Citizenship Act, 195


Unfortunately for her she does.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Begum also holds Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents, under section 5 of the Citizenship Act, 195


Unfortunately for her she does.

That’s the claim. It doesn’t make it true.

 

[jimharri]

So maybe Farage should be done for inciting violence / racism / harassment when he was 11 - 17

Dependant on the law re the age of criminal responsibility; certainly

 

[i kne albert davy]

That’s the claim. It doesn’t make it true.

International law makes it true, Just how many Australians etc have legally returned to the UK due to having British born parents its many thousands and absolutely nothing we can do.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

International law makes it true, Just how many Australians etc have legally returned to the UK due to having British born parents its many thousands and absolutely nothing we can do.

We shall see how it plays out.

 

[i kne albert davy]

We shall see how it plays out.

Yep

 

[KPXBLN]

I am yet to hear or read of any white girls being offered sympathy when they became drug mules for foreign cartels

Although I do think some were repatriated and served their sentences in British prisons

did any of them lose their citizenship? that's the point.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

International law makes it true, Just how many Australians etc have legally returned to the UK due to having British born parents its many thousands and absolutely nothing we can do.

Were these returned Brits allowed a trial before their citizenship being revoked?

 

[i kne albert davy]

did any of them lose their citizenship? that's the point.

We'd have to know if any had dual nationality first I suppose.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Were these returned Brits allowed a trial before their citizenship being revoked?

I don't think you need a trial to return to the country of your parent or parents birth to be fair.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't think you need a trial to return to the country of your parent or parents birth to be fair.

So their citizenship was revoked for no reason at all?

 

[i kne albert davy]

So their citizenship was revoked for no reason at all?

I never mentioned their citizenship being revoked, it's an example that under international law they have the right to return to the country of their parents birth. Just as Ms Begum has.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I never mentioned their citizenship being revoked, it's an example that under international law they have the right to return to the country of their parents birth. Just as Ms Begum has.

I assume the U.K. hasn’t stopped them activating their U.K. citizenship?

Not trying a citizen for their crimes is wrong. It sets a very unpleasant precedent.

No doubt Farage will be looking at revoking all Bangladeshi U.K. citizenship. After all, there doesn’t need to be a trial…