The Labour Government

[hilts]

The trees always vote for the axe because the axe had a wooden handle so was one of them ..................

Presume Michael Palin told you that at the butchers in the week.

 

[hilts]

I also don't think we've seen the last of him

I fucking hope we have.

 

[west didsblue]

Looking from afar it's hard to see what's going on in blighty, how did Starmer give this very dodgy guy such a covetted plumb job, it's unreal.

Presumably because Mandelson and Trump were old pals in Epstein’s circle, and Starmer foolishly thought he could influence US policy using Mandelson as a fixer.

 

[hilts]

Great idea.
Instead of reverting to a Tory party with a new leader and new ideas we would be reverting to the actual Tories that spent 14 years fucking up the country led by a freeloading charlatan who spent most of that time stealing a living as an MEP whilst slagging off his employers at every opportunity.

You lost me with new tories and new ideas, they don't posses such a quality. Its either full fat or semi skinned, and the semi skinned market has currently been cornered by the Labour cabinet.

 

[hilts]

10 year cancer plan and plan to get 10,000 more kids fostered.

800 million for local areas to help with pride in place announced today.

Don’t remember much of these good things being announced under the last lot.

Labour social media had 100 good things they are doing a few months ago.

However the press is all about Mandelson for about a week.

Keir is objectively better than Boris, May, Truss, and possibly Rushi not a very high bar but true.

Yet I think he is hated more than any of them even Boris and Truss.

I can only put it down to the following he is boring and not great at communicating. I happen to think Boris and Trump are not very good at it but for some reason other people think they are.

Being a lawyer.

People might think he is posh because he is Sir. Not that being posh stopped Boris or Cameron etc.


O and taking winter fuel away which was actually the right call but the wrong threshold it’s now back up to a too higher point

You get credit for delivering not planning to deliver, every manifesto is full of plans. Sooner or later sane people realise the sales pitch is a well worn path that tends to lead to partial or full disappointment.
If someone has a history of bullshitting to get the party leadership, then bullshitting to be PM, then U turning a lot when in power its takes a high level of gullibility to believe his 'plan'. Or maybe its just selling Starmer that is the aim? Not many are naive to fall for that 'plan'

 

[mosssideblue]

You get credit for delivering not planning to deliver, every manifesto is full of plans. Sooner or later sane people realise the sales pitch is a well worn path that tends to lead to partial or full disappointment.
If someone has a history of bullshitting to get the party leadership, then bullshitting to be PM, then U turning a lot when in power its takes a high level of gullibility to believe his 'plan'. Or maybe its just selling Starmer that is the aim? Not many are naive to fall for that 'plan'

Do you not think we need longer term plans to fix critical things as well as low hanging fruit plans that can be readily achieved?

Irrespective of party, it should be welcomed that things like cancer are being seriously targeted

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Presumably because Mandelson and Trump were old pals in Epstein’s circle, and Starmer foolishly thought he could influence US policy using Mandelson as a fixer.

Starmers plan to handle Trump with kid gloves was a massive fucking error, as it's become clear the way to handle him is the opposite of that.

 

[west didsblue]

Starmers plan to handle Trump with kid gloves was a massive fucking error, as it's become clear the way to handle him is the opposite of that.

Can’t argue with that

 

[metalblue]

Do you not think we need longer term plans to fix critical things as well as low hanging fruit plans that can be readily achieved?

Irrespective of party, it should be welcomed that things like cancer are being seriously targeted

I’d rather they stopped nurses being made redundant right now. That will help with targeting cancer treatment start times (which is how they are going to achieve a 75% 5 year survivorship).

 

[mosssideblue]

I’d rather they stopped nurses being made redundant right now. That will help with targeting cancer treatment start times (which is how they are going to achieve a 75% 5 year survivorship).

I suspect there is more to it than that

 

[metalblue]

McSweeney will be sacrificed to save Starmer I would imagine. His position will be found to be totally untenable if it can be demonstrated that he orchestrated Mandelson’s appointment.
He is Labour’s Dominic Cummings.

No way does that save Starmer. Starmer appointed him and is today calling him an essential part of his team, it will only throw Starmer’s judgement further under the spotlight.

 

[hilts]

Do you not think we need longer term plans to fix critical things as well as low hanging fruit plans that can be readily achieved?

Irrespective of party, it should be welcomed that things like cancer are being seriously targeted

We do need long term plans all i'm saying is you dont get credit for stuff until its delivered.
The economy is gonna be great
We will have more coppers
Education will improve
Infrastructure.....
NHS
Air quality
No shit being thrown everywhere
social care
HS2 that went well
Blah blah blah...... vote for us this time its gonna be different.

And it wont cost you the hard working tax payers of Britain a penny.

And here's some magic beans.

 

[mosssideblue]

We do need long term plans all i'm saying is you dont get credit for stuff until its delivered.
The economy is gonna be great
We will have more coppers
Education will improve
Infrastructure.....
NHS
Air quality
No shit being thrown everywhere
social care
HS2 that went well
Blah blah blah...... vote for us this time its gonna be different.

And it wont cost you the hard working tax payers of Britain a penny.

And here's some magic beans.

I agree that until delivered it is simply a plan, but I do acknowledge longer term thinking as being a positive

 

[metalblue]

I suspect there is more to it than that

The plan? Not really. They are planning on more screening programmes and getting treatment started sooner. Delaying treatment by 4 weeks reduces your 5 year survivorship by 10%. All sensible stuff. Implementing the plan, however, is not straightforward as change is always difficult in the NHS - I suspect they are thinking 5 years to get the change in then another 5 to see the results which is probably about right as frustrating as that is.

 

[mosssideblue]

The plan? Not really. They are planning on more screening programmes and getting treatment started sooner. Delaying treatment by 4 weeks reduces your 5 year survivorship by 10%. All sensible stuff. Implementing the plan, however, is not straightforward as change is always difficult in the NHS - I suspect they are thinking 5 years to get the change in then another 5 to see the results which is probably about right as frustrating as that is.

So a ten year plan is proposed. We would all like these things to be much quicker but, change does take some time to implement as you suggest

 

[Roachy]

No way does that save Starmer. Starmer appointed him and is today calling him an essential part of his team, it will only throw Starmer’s judgement further under the spotlight.

Starmer and Starmer alone takes the rap for this. If it was an isolated incident he'd be doing the usual tactic of letting it blow over. Don't think this one is going away any time soon.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

So a ten year plan is proposed. We would all like these things to be much quicker but, change does take some time to implement as you suggest

Given it’s about 10 years since the NHS 5 year forward view and 5 years on from the NHS Long Term Plan (both which made similar commitments) it certainly does take time to implement!

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Starmer and Starmer alone takes the rap for this. If it was an isolated incident he'd be doing the usual tactic of letting it blow over. Don't think this one is going away any time soon.

I didn’t see his speech but read he made some veiled criticism of the security services and vetting. The ex head of MI6 was a bit annoyed at this and has said that Mandleson was appointed BEFORE security vetting. It’s often not the misdeed that does for politicians, it is the coverup and the lies that follow

 

[Roachy]

I didn’t see his speech but read he made some veiled criticism of the security services and vetting. The ex head of MI6 was a bit annoyed at this and has said that Mandleson was appointed BEFORE security vetting. It’s often not the misdeed that does for politicians, it is the coverup and the lies that follow

Likely just trying to save his own skin. They're compulsive liars and you can't believe a word that comes out of most of their mouths.

 

[WRicko]

You get credit for delivering not planning to deliver, every manifesto is full of plans. Sooner or later sane people realise the sales pitch is a well worn path that tends to lead to partial or full disappointment.
If someone has a history of bullshitting to get the party leadership, then bullshitting to be PM, then U turning a lot when in power its takes a high level of gullibility to believe his 'plan'. Or maybe it’s just selling Starmer that is the aim? Not many are naive to fall for that 'plan'

not everything they are doing is a plan some of it’s actually happening. Even where things are not impmented yet the money / changes in law etc are happening. If you went down your route no government would get credit for anything and the following government would probably take the credit for stuff so long as they didnt undo it because the actual completion of it often happens under the next lot