North Stand Construction Discussion

Coatigan said:
This is not news to either of us.

But lots can be done a hell of a lot better, even within that, and we both know it.

It is staggering that houses built in the 50s and 60s quickly for a fraction of the budget of those today, were built better and with more effort put into them. And it is all down to this fucking 'it's normal, let's not bother' mentality. Britain has always had wet weather, but efflorescence only became a thing when we started getting lazy. People throughout the ages have always adapted to building in ways that works with their weather conditions. Not just go, ach it's fine, it rains, whaddya gon a do. And that same mentality, is ultimately how you end up with grenfells happening.

If you were to look back through this thread, you would find ample examples of me praising builders here, be that for efforts of working at height, lining up steelwork, removing and manually carrying kalzip off the roof, etc etc. I.e, I am by no means negative for the sake of it, I recognise how grueling a job it is and can be, and applaud it at times. But it also has a real slide to it that really needs tackling.

At the end of the day, if any young blues in construction end up reading this diascussion, and take even a smidge of desire to have some level of pride and aspiration in their efforts, it is by no means a wasted exchange.
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I agree and I could have a separate discussion all about this, but I won't!
 
Coatigan said:
It's not. You see it often, granted, but it’s not 'normal'.



By laying brick only in dry conditions. That includes artificial too, i.e covered, wrapping scaffolding, heaters, etc - rather than just waiting for dry sunny days which programme will rarely allow.

If those first salts don't get drawn out at the time of laying, they won't reoccur later.

That's btw from years of personal empirical efforts at it, fwiw. Tone can be misread, and I'm not trying to sound arsey here, I am responding to what I take as a genuine question, with what I know or think I know.

You do also get 'efflorescence free' brick. Most often glazed or semi glazed, and usually imported from Spain or made from spanish clays. But i've seen it get efflorescence too, and they then argue whether it is from the brick or the mortar. Forgetting that, it is fine being efflorescence free in Spain, where they lay it in compleyely different weather, and just bringing it here might not be enough.

They laid the brick on this one completely exposed, trough October to February months. Partly because there was no need for scaffolding, fair enough. But that then brings with it that risk. As others point out, it will eventually wear off though.
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You learn something new every day. I love this sort of post. Thanks @Coatigan
 
House of Social, First Street, city centre.

That’s what you call brickwork.

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Penders1957 said:
Mostly made in a factory ;-)
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House of Social.

From what I remember, it was actually brickwork by brickies, as the build continued. I’ll find the LinkedIn in pictures that show it. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

Another one.

Waterhouse Gardens, city centre.

1.2mill bricks laid. Official from Domis Construction.

Look at the quality of the brickwork. Loads of pictures in the link below. Scroll down the page.

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Waterhouse Gardens | Dutton Street | 81/72/49/37m |...

Developer: Prosperity Capital Partners Architect: Assael 118831/FO/2018 | Erection of two buildings (a part 17, part 12 storey building and a part 26, part 23 storey building) to form 556 residential units (Use Class C3a) together with the creation of 3490 sqm of commercial floor space (Use...
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jrb said:
House of Social.

From what I remember, it was actually brickwork by brickies, as the build continued. I’ll find the LinkedIn in pictures that show it. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.
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I think you are right. The height of it made me think straight away it would have been pre-made, but I couldn't for the life of me spot any panel joints.

Looked into it further, does seem it was laid by hand. Impressive. And glad to see it this day in age.
 
Coatigan said:
I think you are right. The height of it made me think straight away it would have been pre-made, but I couldn't for the life of me spot any panel joints.

Looked into it further, does seem it was laid by hand. Impressive. And glad to see it this day and age.
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The same is happening at Obsidian.

It looks like Fred Done’s (Salboy) residential developments are all or mostly brick laid, which is great to see, as you say.
 
jrb said:
House of Social.

From what I remember, it was actually brickwork by brickies, as the build continued. I’ll find the LinkedIn in pictures that show it. I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

Another one.

Waterhouse Gardens, city centre.

1.2mill bricks laid. Official from Domis Construction.

Look at the quality of the brickwork. Loads of pictures in the link below. Scroll down the page.

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www.skyscrapercity.com

Waterhouse Gardens | Dutton Street | 81/72/49/37m |...

Developer: Prosperity Capital Partners Architect: Assael 118831/FO/2018 | Erection of two buildings (a part 17, part 12 storey building and a part 26, part 23 storey building) to form 556 residential units (Use Class C3a) together with the creation of 3490 sqm of commercial floor space (Use...
www.skyscrapercity.com www.skyscrapercity.com
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Don’t mate. It just highlights how utterly utterly shit the brickwork at the stadium is. I know it’s far too late to do anything but bloody hell it smacks of a lack of oversight and supervision that someone should be paying for.
 
I think the brick work is mostly fine.

By design, it’s supposed to have a rough and uneven look to it. Almost replicating that feel of a 19th century cotton mill.

There are people on here who think Rodri is finished and we’d be right to sell him so it doesn’t surprise me that this kind of negativity seeps into the construction threads as well.
 
Coatigan said:
Na, he is right. Yes, it is the salts in the clay. But they only come out when laid in wet. If it is all done in a controlled way, they don't.

Next time you notice the white appearing in lines, you can bet that was where they left whatever course they got to uncovered and went home for the day, it rained overnight and brought it up. Cover the top when you leave it at the end of each shift, and that is avoided.
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Giving me apprenticeship flashbacks of days spent cleaning it with brick acid and a stiff brush
 
HelloCity said:
I think the brick work is mostly fine.

By design, it’s supposed to have a rough and uneven look to it. Almost replicating that feel of a 19th century cotton mill.

There are people on here who think Rodri is finished and we’d be right to sell him so it doesn’t surprise me that this kind of negativity seeps into the construction threads as well.
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Conflating comments about brickwork and Rodri is an interesting new one.
Your comments simply tell me that your standards for building work are low. I’ve seen a number of 18th Century cotton mills. My mum used to work in one. Never seen brickwork like that though.
 
HelloCity said:
I think the brick work is mostly fine.

By design, it’s supposed to have a rough and uneven look to it. Almost replicating that feel of a 19th century cotton mill.

There are people on here who think Rodri is finished and we’d be right to sell him so it doesn’t surprise me that this kind of negativity seeps into the construction threads as well.
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I like it myself.

It seems to be a modern social media thing that as soon as someone says something is crap you get a ton of follow up posts all agreeing, any positivity or opposing view just gets drowned out in the naysayers rants.
 
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