US & Israel attack Iran

give it to gordon said:
I would guess that both American and Israeli have their special forces in Iran to organise the uprising. How else can they achieve what they want ?
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Those two motorcyclists who were arrested probably did the reconnaissance mission in Iran. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that they were actually spying
 
thelantern said:
People cast their opinions around their own narratives so facts don't get in the way, the internet gives those narratives room to grow because even the weirdest types can find likeminded people to nod and wink to.

The internet was going to be this great library of truth and research material, it has ended up to be nothing like that.
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I agree, to some extent. It is a great library of truth and research, you just have to fight through piles of horseshit and a band of crazies to get to the book. Some people, understandably, have no energy to fight through anymore.
 
The Iranian regime and its republican guard are terrorists and nothing more. The world will be a better place without them and when Iran is being governed by reasonable, democratic leaders as most of its normal citizens wish.

Khomanei and his dictatorship were no better than Putin and needed removing. They’ve been harbouring Houthi and Hezbollah terrorists as well as previously those of Al Qaeda, and supplying Russia with drones.

The warmaking capability of Iran needs destroying along with its fundamentalist leadership and let the normal citizens get on with their lives as part of the world, open to international business, education and rights for women.
 
Blue and true said:
I agree, to some extent. It is a great library of truth and research, you just have to fight through piles of horseshit and a band of crazies to get to the book. Some people, understandably, have no energy fight through anymore.
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Something simple like trying to get up to date bus schedules or "live" updates concerning services has become a chore as you say, you have to fight the constant ads on web pages and more often than not I switch the page off because it's so garbled it is meaningless.

Depending on which cult of crazies you follow there is most definitely a world church that will be for you even if they have to lie to get you in.
 
meltonblue said:
I don’t actually mind Starmer. He’s got no personality and is awful at the comms side of of being a politician but I don’t think he’s fundamentally a bad person, unlike some of his predecessors. He hasn’t got the media backing to help him out at all either.

On the announcement tonight, it was the right thing for him to do. Real life means the British pm can’t be like Hugh Grant in Love Actually…
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You can't really be helping "pre-emptive action" and call it "defensive".
 
Semper aggressus said:
The Iranian regime and its republican guard are terrorists and nothing more. The world will be a better place without them and when Iran is being governed by reasonable, democratic leaders as most of its normal citizens wish
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Aye, and all of history tells us that bombing a dictatorship is a quick and easy way to democracy without any unintended consequences.
 
Blue Mist said:
Just like the Americans and Israelis ?

When you leave your moral code in the kitchen don't call them terrorists when they respond.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

There is a reason why countries follow the Geneva Convention and have a international moral code.
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Probably true. We are all just picking sides and claiming we have moral advantage. Do the Israelis have a right to pre-emptive attacks on an enemy who has sworn to kill them all or should they wait until they are all killed by an Iranian nuclear bomb? What did the International moral code, Geneva convention and UN do after the October 7th attack? Go all out to get 'justice' for Israel? Or nothing?
 
Semper aggressus said:
The Iranian regime and its republican guard are terrorists and nothing more. The world will be a better place without them and when Iran is being governed by reasonable, democratic leaders as most of its normal citizens wish.

Khomanei and his dictatorship were no better than Putin and needed removing. They’ve been harbouring Houthi and Hezbollah terrorists as well as previously those of Al Qaeda, and supplying Russia with drones.

The warmaking capability of Iran needs destroying along with its fundamentalist leadership and let the normal citizens get on with their lives as part of the world, open to international business, education and rights for women.
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If only the USA and Israel had done it fir this reason, sadly it’s not it’s an Epstein distraction and a murdering war criminal who wants to keep power
 
Blue and true said:
And without libraries and volumes upon volumes of history texts our forebears would have been absolutely fucked.

So long as the sources are credible, it doesn't matter where people get their information from.
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An in depth knowledge requires more than just reading subjective articles on Google, someone giving expert advice in a law court for example wouldn’t be allowed to if they just acquainted themselves with facts from the internet.

All I’m saying is some on here google something then present their POV by going back in time and quote dates and events as though they’re really expert on it, which they aren’t.

There’s a few who are way worse than others, usually on the political threads, god forbid anyone who has an opposite view, the back slappers shoot them down under a barrage of criticism and personal abuse, I’ll not be reading any further posts on this thread.
 
BobKowalski said:
The Government, no matter its political stripe, cannot ignore missile strikes on British bases and/or on countries not directly involved in the conflict and are home to a significant number of British citizens.

The use of British bases is limited to strikes on depots and launchers. The UK is not initiating these strikes they are responding to direct attacks. In short lobbing missiles at us, France or whoever is going to provoke a response irrespective of any concerns over the wisdom of the initial strike on Iran.
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Were UK bases attacked before we allowed the US to use them for attacking Iran in an illegal war?
 
Bazzmand Show said:
They don't have enough ammunition stocks in the region for this to last long. Absolute idiocy.

We shouldn't go anywhere near it, he dug his own grave.
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The maths does agree with that. The drones Iran are launching cost $30,000 a piece but it costs at least 10x that to intercept that drone... I wouldn't be going to Cyprus, Dubai or anywhere in that area anytime soon because this isn't going to go away quickly. Trump says it will last 4 weeks but I don't see how that can happen.

The main worry for the Americans now should be that they've killed the entire military command structure of Iran but how do they deal with splinter groups of the military which is acting independently?

How do you stop hundreds of groups of blokes in fields in the middle of nowhere each with an arsenal of drones on a truck? Eventually those stocks will run out but Iran supposedly has tens of thousands of the things. It's a bit tricky when it costs millions just to kill one of these groups.

It's potentially a barmy even more splintered and yet high-tech version of Vietnam.
 
www.reuters.com

Prediction market bets on Iran strikes stoke insider trading, ethics scrutiny

Bets that were placed on the ouster of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei drew scrutiny on Monday of prediction markets such as Polymarket and Kalshi, sparking calls from Democratic U.S. lawmakers to outlaw wagers on military actions that could enrich officials with inside ‌knowledge.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

We will probably never know the identity of the mystery traders who have made fortunes out of the attack. I'm struggling to think of anyone who loves money that much
 
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