US & Israel attack Iran

[Keith Moon]

Since when have the Americans had a plan let alone an exit plan
The normal plan of theirs is attack the country, kill the leader than run away leaving the country in a complete mess for other terrorist organisations to take over.

Yes, it worked out so well in Libya. What they did in Venezuela is not going to work in Iran — my Iranian friend says the ultimate betrayal of the Iranian people would be if the US and Israel let the current regime stay in power.

 

[give it to gordon]

How does Trump and Isreal believe regime change will happen when they won’t actually send troops into Iran? The country is huge, I don’t see how air strikes will result in the locals who want the current Iranian leadership gone can start an uprising with no weapons.

I would guess that both American and Israeli have their special forces in Iran to organise the uprising. How else can they achieve what they want ?

 

[Gabriel]

How does Trump and Isreal believe regime change will happen when they won’t actually send troops into Iran? The country is huge, I don’t see how air strikes will result in the locals who want the current Iranian leadership gone can start an uprising with no weapons.

Suspect that rather than a regime change, they may want a change in regime. A subtle difference but maybe similar to what happened in Venezuela. However, if their early attacks have also eliminated identified replacements, then who knows what happens next.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

If you look at the actual data, Starmer is a very competent PM in terms of the wishes of the nation. Nobody looks at the data though. All about social media messaging now full of lies and lack of context and impotent rage.

(I don't like Starmer but I like data and longitudinal studies)

If starmer gets us involved and rushes off to help Trump if things go south, his resignation writes itself.

 

[oldius]

This place used to be pretty well balanced, not anymore. Full of utter nut jobs.

Echo chambers that ban people who dont agree

What a shame

I disagree.
I see posts from both sides of the spectrum on a regular basis.
There is a cultural shift in society, however, where people from the West are beginning to call out behaviours by the West that have been accepted as proper practice for generations.
The nature of change is that it always meets resistance and anger before grudging acceptance begins.
I recently had some posts removed, and I was frustrated because I am generally thoughtful with my words, but I don't run the forum so I have to accept some of that.

 

[BlueRockape]

The Government, no matter its political stripe, cannot ignore missile strikes on British bases and/or on countries not directly involved in the conflict and are home to a significant number of British citizens.

The use of British bases is limited to strikes on depots and launchers. The UK is not initiating these strikes they are responding to direct attacks. In short lobbing missiles at us, France or whoever is going to provoke a response irrespective of any concerns over the wisdom of the initial strike on Iran.

Tony Blair 2
Listening to the lying cunts

 

[threespires]

This place used to be pretty well balanced, not anymore. Full of utter nut jobs.

Echo chambers that ban people who dont agree

What a shame

Don't see it that way personally. There's no algorithm feeding you content it thinks you want to see or that is promoted. As far as I can tell the mods are pretty even handed in applying the CoC. There's a broad range of opinions expressed and the nutjobs are mostly confined to the match thread. It's a City echo chamber by design but apart from that seems ok to me. What's irking you?

 

[BlueRockape]

Curt Mills at The American Conservative reporting that Trump is putting out “ceasefire feelers” after Iranian resistance effort exceeded US and Israeli intelligence expectations.

No idea if this is true. Just thought it was interesting.

Probably why they are requesting help.
They can do fuck all on there own

 

[tweety]

I’m up late as I can’t get a decent kip but fuck me there’s some really well informed posters on here, the only caveat being without Google they would be absolutely fucked.

If someone has political/history/interest/ knowledge of a particular situation I’ve no problem but some on here are know alls on every fucking subject which without Google is just not possible, good night.

For some on here it's a full-time job with unlimited overtime.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Curt Mills at The American Conservative reporting that Trump is putting out “ceasefire feelers” after Iranian resistance effort exceeded US and Israeli intelligence expectations.

No idea if this is true. Just thought it was interesting.

They don't have enough ammunition stocks in the region for this to last long. Absolute idiocy.

We shouldn't go anywhere near it, he dug his own grave.

 

[M18CTID]

I'm shocked that they had a plan tbf.

He’s a complete and utter loon. So the people they wanted to take over have been killed and he calls that a successful attack? Fuck me!

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

I’m up late as I can’t get a decent kip but fuck me there’s some really well informed posters on here, the only caveat being without Google they would be absolutely fucked.

If someone has political/history/interest/ knowledge of a particular situation I’ve no problem but some on here are know alls on every fucking subject which without Google is just not possible, good night.

I was thinking this yesterday. This jumped into my mind immediately (just replace the word ‘art’)

 

[oldius]

He’s a complete and utter loon. So the people they wanted to take over have been killed and he calls that a successful attack? Fuck me!

The problem with a narcissist is that he will only see the opportunity for attention. He won't see the ridiculousness of his behaviour, or the failed result of it.

 

[robbieh]

The revolution got of the ground because for the majority of people in Iran, it was a pretty awful place to be under the Shah.

It was a popular uprising after all, not a military junta or some other tiny group seizing power. The Islamists were just the biggest of the groups that revolted, liberal democratic groups were also major players, as well as communists.

Perhaps a better question would be where Iran would be if we and the US hadn’t blown up Iranian democracy with the 1959 coup.

Absolutely correct. My own feeling is that in those days the US, who always need war and an opportunity to use and sell weapons, had an enemy. Communism. Nasser in Egypt and parties in Syria and Lebanon were expousing a pan Arab form of socialism. The nationalisation of Suez being part of this anti colonial agenda.
This was never going to be allowed to happen especially as the USSR was providing diplomatic and political support to these places.
Western interference given the presence of oil was a no brainer, also throw in the creation of a westernised Israel into the mix.

So the average person in Egypt, Syria etc saw the small buds of socialism wither and turned to fundamentalist options like the Muslim brotherhood who were being supported covertly by the west. Not the last time the US and the British and French have teamed up with Islamic rebels.

So what we have is an unholy mess and one which we to no small part bear responsibility for.

So it is quite in keeping for Britain to say we are just defending ourselves from Iranian aggression , instead of saying as we should we condemn US and Israeli strikes against a sovereign nation and call for restraint.from all sides.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

They don't have enough ammunition stocks in the region for this to last long. Absolute idiocy.

We shouldn't go anywhere near it, he dug his own grave.

Aftermath of two gulf wars and Afghanistan will provide reluctance of Europe not to go near it. Not to mention Trump’s hostility towards Greenland and slapping tariffs everywhere, if this was any other president the rest of NATO would be onboard with it. However I don’t think any other president would have gone near all out war with Iran.

 

[Blue Mist]

These are ethical murdering terror cells, remember. They follow the Geneva Convention and everything!

Just like the Americans and Israelis ?

When you leave your moral code in the kitchen don't call them terrorists when they respond.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

There is a reason why countries follow the Geneva Convention and have a international moral code.

 

[Blue and true]

I’m up late as I can’t get a decent kip but fuck me there’s some really well informed posters on here, the only caveat being without Google they would be absolutely fucked.

If someone has political/history/interest/ knowledge of a particular situation I’ve no problem but some on here are know alls on every fucking subject which without Google is just not possible, good night.

And without libraries and volumes upon volumes of history texts our forebears would have been absolutely fucked.

So long as the sources are credible, it doesn't matter where people get their information from.

 

[Blue and true]

Aftermath of two gulf wars and Afghanistan will provide reluctance of Europe not to go near it. Not to mention Trump’s hostility towards Greenland and slapping tariffs everywhere, if this was any other president the rest of NATO would be onboard with it. However I don’t think any other president would have gone near all out war with Iran.

The lessons should have been learned prior to Afghanistan. The fact Afghanistan happened doesn't fill me with confidence that restraint will prevail here.

If we do kowtow to Trump after his disparaging remarks about our soldiers, then Starmer has officially hit rock bottom.

 

[thelantern]

And without libraries and volumes upon volumes of history texts our forebears would have been absolutely fucked.

So long as the sources are credible, it doesn't matter where people get their information from.

People cast their opinions around their own narratives so facts don't get in the way, the internet gives those narratives room to grow because even the weirdest types can find likeminded people to nod and wink to.

The internet was going to be this great library of truth and research material, it has ended up to be nothing like that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The internet was going to be this great library of truth and research material, it has ended up to be nothing like that.

That’s a very binary post. It has ended up being something like that.