Same as always; people chat whilst people die, in the end it comes to nothing.As was I, you called me naive.
Are you willing to answer the question on Oman? Without having a huge insight into those negotations, surely if they were making progress that was worth exploring as an alternative to war.
Not really.
When tens of thousands of Persians were being killed in January because they’d simply had enough and started an uprise, you only have to see this forum and the Iran threads, never mind the wider society, where there were no more than a dozen pages and nobody seemed to care much. The Gaza thread would get a dozen pages on days where nothing happened.
America take out the Ayatollah and all of any sudden we’re approaching 100 pages in a handful of days.
Britain is not involved in this war. We didn't take part in the strikes and are only allowing US use of our bases because we don't have the capacity to defend them from Iranian missiles due to underfunding for decades.Its just not true to say that people didnt care much.
I would say there was pretty much universal agreement that the killing of protesters was appalling. Nor read through the whole thread, but I havent seen one post in favour of rhe regime.
We (Britain) are now in the middle of a war. There are people who agree with it, and those that dont. Theres back and forth between the two and there is breaking news by the hour.
Is it really a shock that this thread is busy
Same as always; people chat whilst people die, in the end it comes to nothing.
Do you think the Ayatollah would agree to stop ruling with an iron fist as a result of those negotiations? They weren't even about the protestors situation or the subjugation of Iranian Women.
We are part of it.Britain is not involved in this war. We didn't take part in the strikes and are only allowing US use of our bases because we don't have the capacity to defend them from Iranian missiles due to underfunding for decades.
Our Government has already stated we are not a part of this.
That's how it began, yes, until the regime starting shooting people for protesting, then it became something larger.I think a lot could be achieved through negotation. Lifting sanctions, economic support, regional security all tools thay could be used to initiate change.
By all accounts Oman was making progress.
From what I understand, much of the protests were related to the financial situation in Iran, something that (rightly or wrongly - I dont have a clear view on that) the international community has had an impact on.
Government says 'no', you say 'yes'. Odd behaviour.We are part of it.
It similar to the Venezuela situation. I was walking past the Quaker building in Town last Summer and saw around 30 people at a peaceful protest waving Venezuela flags. I got chatting to them - they were very nice and calm people, weren’t calling anyone fascists or threatening them for asking them questions - and asked what they were demonstrating about and they explained the situation in their country with 7 million people being displaced with no access to shelter, healthcare or food and the the tens of thousands of indiscriminate executions that have happened.Its just not true to say that people didnt care much.
I would say there was pretty much universal agreement that the killing of protesters was appalling. Nor read through the whole thread, but I havent seen one post in favour of rhe regime.
We (Britain) are now in the middle of a war. There are people who agree with it, and those that dont. Theres back and forth between the two and there is breaking news by the hour.
Is it really a shock that this thread is busy?
Fair enough mate, I was unaware of that I admit. It popped up on my feed and found his take interesting based on his past advisory roleRegarding Douglas Macgregor
He's an American far-right grifter and close friends with Tucker Carlson, and is basically a Russian asset. He uses his past titles to command respect, but these days he’s used to push Russian interests, which means lying to defend his allies and attack his enemies. Over the past few years he’s spent his time spreading every possible conspiracy about Ukraine, from Zelensky supposedly buying dozens of mansions with foreign money, to claims about a Nazi regime, a pro-LGBT regime, biolabs making biological weapons, basically whatever story gives different audiences a reason to hate Ukraine. He does the same with Israel, the US, Europe, and any country that stands in the way of Russian interests.
I’m bringing this up because he has less credibility on any topic than some random person on X.
Then it dies down and they move on to the next outrage.It similar to the Venezuela situation. I was walking past the Quaker building in Town last Summer and saw around 30 people at a peaceful protest waving Venezuela flags. I got chatting to them - they were very nice and calm people, weren’t calling anyone fascists or threatening them for asking them questions - and asked what they were demonstrating about and they explained the situation in their country with 7 million people being displaced with no access to shelter, healthcare or food and the the tens of thousands of indiscriminate executions that have happened.
Nobody here has ever seemed to give a shit about it. Yet, when the it evil fucker of a leader there was deposed, everyone here was up in arms and even the British media portrayed Venezuelans who were out celebrating in London and Manchester as demonstrators against the USA for their actions.
Selective outrage is very real here.
Nobody here has ever seemed to give a shit about it. Yet, when the it evil fucker of a leader there was deposed, everyone here was up in arms and even the British media portrayed Venezuelans who were out celebrating in London and Manchester as demonstrators against the USA for their actions.
Selective outrage is very real here.
It is an opportunity, but the opposition in Iran is disjointed, only the UN and it's peacekeeprs being involved can help.But i'm hearing from others that the 'International Community' should have taken charge of the situation.
Are you in agreement that they do nothing when it matters and we should look at this as a golden opportunity for the Iranian people, with our continued support of course, to not allow the zealots and despots of that nation reclaim power? If so, i'm all for that!
Apply that same logic (and hope) to this situation in Iran.From what I saw (from a variety of sources), there was next to no-one supporting Maduro. Most were glad he was gone.
There was criticism of the legality (or otherwise) of a country going into another country but the two positions arent incompatible.
Interesting though that with Maduro gone, the regime in Venezuela remains largely unchanged.
Thats what people fear in Iran. Killings, destruction and all for nothing.
I dont think the positions are hugely different.Apply that same logic (and hope) to this situation in Iran.
That's where a lot of us are at.
Basically. When Russia is allowed to do what it wants, yet the world imposes sanctions whilst buying it's oil and gas I tend to have little faith in the imposing of 'International Law'.It is an opportunity, but the opposition in Iran is disjointed, only the UN and it's peacekeeprs being involved can help.
I do think this thread is throwing up a few different discussions and some are getting mixed up in comments and replies.
The Ianain people and a better future in a free and prosperous religiously amd socially tolerent nation, think we all want that.
America and Israel personal power plays which give no. regard to killing civillians be it Iran, Lebanon or the wider area, they are war mongering cunts and no denial.
How weak the international community and law is in the present era, might as well not exist.
You're saying that people are self serving hypocrites, with morals that move depending on where their political advantage is? It's amazing how quickly people turn away from the repressed when the status quo suits them isn't it. All of a sudden it's better for the world to do nothing, let's leave the repressed to their repression.It similar to the Venezuela situation. I was walking past the Quaker building in Town last Summer and saw around 30 people at a peaceful protest waving Venezuela flags. I got chatting to them - they were very nice and calm people, weren’t calling anyone fascists or threatening them for asking them questions - and asked what they were demonstrating about and they explained the situation in their country with 7 million people being displaced with no access to shelter, healthcare or food and the the tens of thousands of indiscriminate executions that have happened.
Nobody here has ever seemed to give a shit about it. Yet, when the it evil fucker of a leader there was deposed, everyone here was up in arms and even the British media portrayed Venezuelans who were out celebrating in London and Manchester as demonstrators against the USA for their actions.
Apply that same logic (and hope) to this situation in Iran.
That's where a lot of us are at. No violence, but the regime is gone and the Iranians can build a better future for themselves.