gordondaviesmoustache
Well-Known Member
Unlike NATO, Russia has a history of inveterate truculence towards its neighbouring nations and territories, and many of those nations were understandably cautious, even wary about that after having been freed from the Soviet shackles, and naturally sought to protect themselves from that aggression and dominance. No country entered NATO under duress, each did so as a defensive act, and with an abundance of prudence and caution in order to protect itself. Just as Sweden and Finland did in 2022.Cart before the horse. Your thinking is no different to those who believe criminals exist because people commit crime - i.e. reducing it to a single and circular cause.
Russia was in a mess after Soviet dissolution and the US + Europe, in a far more powerful position, were working with an effective blank canvas politically and economically. A Russia integrated into Europe would have far less reason to be a threat and far more to lose if they were.
Does it absolve Russia of blame for waging war against Ukraine? No. But the issue could've been avoided through better strategic calculation. The West had a once in a lifetime chance to influence Russia's external alignment and they blew it. Russia was not a threat post Soviet collapse, ergo NATO did not have a reason to exist past this very point.
Russia had several options about how to respond to that landscape at the turn of the century (which I’d say was a key inflection point) through the prism of much greater trading links with Europe than in Soviet times and yet it chose to enter into a conscious pattern of disruption evolving into sabotage and the naked aggression we see today. You clearly feel this pattern wasn’t inevitable, but history strongly suggests otherwise.
Is it possible that Russia would have taken a different path had the west handled things differently in the ‘90s? I have to concede ‘yes’ to that question, but given its history, innate superiority complex, inveterate paranoia, and tellingly, its manifest track record over the last 25 years, including disseminating radioactive material in English cities, I’d say the odds overwhelmingly point towards the policy of defensive caution being the correct one.
Your suggested approach involved taking an unwarranted and reckless risk, mine is founded in experience and caution, which strongly suggests yours is the simplistic one, not mine.
Like I said Russia are cunts, and the expanse of NATO is a natural reaction to that. And is there a particular time in Russian history you’d like to point to in order to refute that statement?

