BobKowalski
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Yes. God forbid I reference instances of people blaming immigrants and threatening fellow citizens with violence based on their ethnicity.
Bad Bob.
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Local Elections | Thu 7 May 26
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Yes. God forbid I reference instances of people blaming immigrants and threatening fellow citizens with violence based on their ethnicity.
Bad Bob.
i kne albert davy
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Maybe we could all go on anti semitic hate marches.Because people like Rupert Lowe spend their time actively dividing us. For someone like Lowe or Farage to gain power you have to fracture the country. It’s called divide and conquer. Pit one side against the other. The last thing these characters want is everyone ‘pulling together’.
So, do you want everyone to pull together and work to ‘heal the nation’? If so, where do we as a team start?
The Future’s Blue!
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Oh, I’m not slating the area, it’s my home. People are good, hardworking types in the main and there is a real sense of shared community. However, there is a lot of resentment towards government, past and present, mainly due to cuts to funding and lack of any plan for renewal.Tameside's age demographic is the same as the rest of the country, people on the main tend to have children they can afford and not sire children they can't afford like the countries got elastic sides. You're are correct about them being workers though it had a huge manufacturing base up until the 1970s when it rapidly went down hill. Labour have had a good run and national issues played a big part but in the main I find the people of Tameside don't lack in common sense.
Perfect territory for the likes of Farage who brought his Brexit backing once again to the fore so the area can have another go at proving that Brexit was a success.
Prestwich_Blue
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Say what you like about antisemitism, but it's a great unifier across the political divide, Left, right, or even in the middle, it works for all.Maybe we could all go on anti semitic hate marches.
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i kne albert davy
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Ah but what about the great majority stuck in the middle where do we go :-)Say what you like about antisemitism, but it's a great unifier across the political divide. Far left, far right, it works for both.
Prestwich_Blue
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Good point. I've amended my post accordingly.Ah but what about the great majority stuck in the middle where do we go :-)
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Just off to the Hindu club for a game of snooker and a pint (or two) before going to the game, there's not to much of a divide in there we all get on :-)Good point. I've amended my post accordingly.
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I think these election results will end up teaching us 5 things:
1. Two party politics is dead. If one of the big two doesn't relaunch with electoral reform its primary offer then they are dead.
2. Never underestimate peoples propensity to vote against their own interests. Im sure Reform will talk (but ultimately fail) to "stop the boats" but when the child of a duped working class voter breaks its leg and it costs 8 grand. Nigel pitch won't seem quite so honest.
3. The system can live with ANY political party, with the exception of a Socialist party. That IS NOT ALLOWED. Corbyn was crushed for it, even threatened with a Military coup, out in the open in a newspaper. And Polanski has just had 2 weeks of the same playbook. To the point of being patronised and lectured about antisemitism by Trevor Philips of the "community with in a community" opinion. This attack on his history, family, ethnicity, looks and beliefs went on, full tilt, bybthe usual suspects in the same week 2 people were arrested for antisemitic threats to him and a prominent newspaper published an antisemitic cartoon about him.
4. The United Kingdom won't last the decade.
5. Starmer is SO important to the owners and the Genocide justifyers as the person who will stand in the way of justice, financial reform and freedom... he will need to be dragged out of number 10 by his nose. Do you really think they want a man of competence and independent thought in there like Andy Burnham? Nope, Starmer is their man, which is why the bulllshhiting fraud is there in the first place.
1. Two party politics is dead. If one of the big two doesn't relaunch with electoral reform its primary offer then they are dead.
2. Never underestimate peoples propensity to vote against their own interests. Im sure Reform will talk (but ultimately fail) to "stop the boats" but when the child of a duped working class voter breaks its leg and it costs 8 grand. Nigel pitch won't seem quite so honest.
3. The system can live with ANY political party, with the exception of a Socialist party. That IS NOT ALLOWED. Corbyn was crushed for it, even threatened with a Military coup, out in the open in a newspaper. And Polanski has just had 2 weeks of the same playbook. To the point of being patronised and lectured about antisemitism by Trevor Philips of the "community with in a community" opinion. This attack on his history, family, ethnicity, looks and beliefs went on, full tilt, bybthe usual suspects in the same week 2 people were arrested for antisemitic threats to him and a prominent newspaper published an antisemitic cartoon about him.
4. The United Kingdom won't last the decade.
5. Starmer is SO important to the owners and the Genocide justifyers as the person who will stand in the way of justice, financial reform and freedom... he will need to be dragged out of number 10 by his nose. Do you really think they want a man of competence and independent thought in there like Andy Burnham? Nope, Starmer is their man, which is why the bulllshhiting fraud is there in the first place.
Bluesince1979
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I actually said , some tick along. The one i go to … ticks along.'I go to one but nobody else does'..
Some dont seem too
Not sure why that was difficult
I’ve reflected on some of my posts yesterday and I can see why some people may have taken them badly. That genuinely wasn’t my intention.
I don’t hate anyone based on race, religion or background, and I don’t want to come across as bigoted. My concerns are about the scale of immigration, pressure on communities and services, and the feeling that people’s concerns are often dismissed too quickly as racism.
This morning I was in the gym training alongside black, Asian and other people from all backgrounds. Everyone was getting on, helping each other and treating each other with respect. To me, that’s what a healthy society should look like.
At the same time, I think a lot of people feel uneasy about whether integration is really happening properly in some areas. Many immigrants absolutely do integrate, work hard, contribute and become part of British society. But I also think it’s fair to question situations where communities seem very separate from wider society.
For example, if people live here for years but have very little interaction with British culture or wider society, some people are naturally going to question whether integration is working as it should. I don’t think asking questions about integration, shared values and social cohesion should automatically make someone racist.
Whether people agree or disagree, these concerns are real to many ordinary people, and dismissing them outright is one of the reasons parties like Reform are gaining support.
I don’t hate anyone based on race, religion or background, and I don’t want to come across as bigoted. My concerns are about the scale of immigration, pressure on communities and services, and the feeling that people’s concerns are often dismissed too quickly as racism.
This morning I was in the gym training alongside black, Asian and other people from all backgrounds. Everyone was getting on, helping each other and treating each other with respect. To me, that’s what a healthy society should look like.
At the same time, I think a lot of people feel uneasy about whether integration is really happening properly in some areas. Many immigrants absolutely do integrate, work hard, contribute and become part of British society. But I also think it’s fair to question situations where communities seem very separate from wider society.
For example, if people live here for years but have very little interaction with British culture or wider society, some people are naturally going to question whether integration is working as it should. I don’t think asking questions about integration, shared values and social cohesion should automatically make someone racist.
Whether people agree or disagree, these concerns are real to many ordinary people, and dismissing them outright is one of the reasons parties like Reform are gaining support.
BBC catching up with the 200,000 channel crossings story (small boats old hat, now 60 people on a big dinghy).... and a little bit at the end, "crossings this year are down by over a third".It was hard to find the stats on gov.uk
Of course, you have to ask whether the media (including the BBC) would have ignored an increase...
"Another week with no boats" just isn't news, is it?
Why not "Channel crossings are down by a third this year, as Labour gets to grips with a crisis they inherited, with a total of 200,000 migrants having crossed the Channel"?
Grassland Blue
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Well we need someone with decency and common sense with a clear strategy on how to improve things.Because people like Rupert Lowe spend their time actively dividing us. For someone like Lowe or Farage to gain power you have to fracture the country. It’s called divide and conquer. Pit one side against the other. The last thing these characters want is everyone ‘pulling together’.
So, do you want everyone to pull together and work to ‘heal the nation’? If so, where do we as a team start?
I would expect a few eggs to be broken in the making of the omelette.
Fair enough, and perhaps I was quick to label yesterday-but that’s exactly what the likes of reform want to do-pit us against one another.I’ve reflected on some of my posts yesterday and I can see why some people may have taken them badly. That genuinely wasn’t my intention.
I don’t hate anyone based on race, religion or background, and I don’t want to come across as bigoted. My concerns are about the scale of immigration, pressure on communities and services, and the feeling that people’s concerns are often dismissed too quickly as racism.
This morning I was in the gym training alongside black, Asian and other people from all backgrounds. Everyone was getting on, helping each other and treating each other with respect. To me, that’s what a healthy society should look like.
At the same time, I think a lot of people feel uneasy about whether integration is really happening properly in some areas. Many immigrants absolutely do integrate, work hard, contribute and become part of British society. But I also think it’s fair to question situations where communities seem very separate from wider society.
For example, if people live here for years but have very little interaction with British culture or wider society, some people are naturally going to question whether integration is working as it should. I don’t think asking questions about integration, shared values and social cohesion should automatically make someone racist.
Whether people agree or disagree, these concerns are real to many ordinary people, and dismissing them outright is one of the reasons parties like Reform are gaining support.
But Reform haven't presented any evidence of a strategy to improve things.Well we need someone with decency and common sense with a clear strategy on how to improve things.
I would expect a few eggs to be broken in the making of the omelette.
Sticking people in detention camps isn't a strategy. Blaming immigration on every issue within our social structure isn't a strategy either. Immigrants aren't causing potholes, they aren't causing the high streets to be decimated.
Grassland Blue
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You seem to be confusing REFORM with RESTORE.But Reform haven't presented any evidence of a strategy to improve things.
Sticking people in detention camps isn't a strategy. Blaming immigration on every issue within our social structure isn't a strategy either. Immigrants aren't causing potholes, they aren't causing the high streets to be decimated.
It’s the oldest hatred, the most violent and the easiest to fall into, again. It’s the only racism that punches up.Say what you like about antisemitism, but it's a great unifier across the political divide, Left, right, or even in the middle, it works for all.
It’s why I’m so vocal against it.
Putting illegal migrants in detention centres is the global norm.But Reform haven't presented any evidence of a strategy to improve things.
Sticking people in detention camps isn't a strategy. Blaming immigration on every issue within our social structure isn't a strategy either. Immigrants aren't causing potholes, they aren't causing the high streets to be decimated.
Putting them in hotels is fucking ludicrous.
SkyBlueFlux
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Putting illegal migrants in detention centres is the global norm.
Putting them in hotels is fucking ludicrous.
I think that's fair but also to provide a factual interjection, if the hotels are what people have a problem with, they started being used under the Tories and Labour have nearly halved the numbers in hotels since they came to power from 56k at it's peak to about 30k today, and that's despite increasing the refusal rate of asylum claims (before the usual argument starts of falsely claiming it's because they just started accepting every claim).
In fact, they're on track to have no asylum claimants in hotels by the end of the Parliament in 2029.
Small boat crossing are also down by a third, actually by boat volume it's more than halved (the boats are just carrying more people as they get more desperate).
Legal migration routes, Visa's etc. are also down 80% and it looks like we could be in net negative migration territory as soon as this year.
So if all this is such a concern, I'm happy to hear the rational arguments of others, but I don't quite understand why people are voting out the party who actually seem to be fixing the thing people are saying is such a problem. Labour aren't my cup of tea but from my perspective they seem to be doing exactly what Reform voters are asking. Maybe somebody can educate me.
Couldn’t agree more and I’m on record on this forum saying Mahmood is the best Home Secretary for a generation.I think that's fair but also to provide a factual interjection, if the hotels are what people have a problem with, they started being used under the Tories and Labour have nearly halved the numbers in hotels since they came to power from 56k at it's peak to about 30k today, and that's despite increasing the refusal rate of asylum claims (before the usual argument starts of falsely claiming it's because they just started accepting every claim).
In fact, they're on track to have no asylum claimants in hotels by the end of the Parliament in 2029.
Small boat crossing are also down by a third, actually by boat volume it's more than halved (the boats are just carrying more people as they get more desperate).
Legal migration routes, Visa's etc. are also down 80% and it looks like we could be in net negative migration territory as soon as this year.
So if all this is such a concern, I'm happy to hear the rational arguments of others, but I don't quite understand why people are voting out the party who actually seem to be fixing the thing people are saying is such a problem. Labour aren't my cup of tea but from my perspective they seem to be doing exactly what Reform voters are asking. Maybe somebody can educate me.
SkyBlueFlux
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Couldn’t agree more and I’m on record on this forum saying Mahmood is the best Home Secretary for a generation.
I think I broadly agree when comparing her with her previous Tory counterparts who seemed to be suitably hardline but not very effective. I've always been a pragmatic person and I think while many don't like Mahmood's harder stance, I agree with her that unless they do some unpopular things now to take the air out of Reform's balloon then something much worse will follow.
I'm expecting my first child this year who will be mixed race and the direction this country is going in deeply concerns me. I'm hoping we find some way to turn the corner on this issue before I start seeing ICE-style enforcement vans vanishing people in the streets for looking a bit off-white.